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Jimmy Conway June 12th, 2009 11:39 PM

Second shooters for weddings.
 
For those who have dedicated second shooters that they hire for weddings, do you let them use their footage that they shoot for their own reel or portfolio? I'm not sure how the B&G would feel about having their videos on other peoples websites too.

I am thinking about hiring another dedicated videographer to up my production value instead of having the usual assistant or basic shooter. I was wondering what's the best way to conduct this?

Any help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Scott Hayes June 13th, 2009 04:32 AM

dude, that is the only way to go! make them sign a work for hire agreement and you are good to go. find good shooters, pay them well and get consistent stuff.

Lukas Siewior June 13th, 2009 05:54 AM

Agree. It's very hard to find good 2nd shooter since he/she has to think like you and almost read your mind, and on top of that has to shoot good video. That's why it might be a painful process before you find the one. So treat him well and pay fair price - for the same reason 2 camera videos are that much more expensive. But you'll see how easier it is for you later in post.

Ryan Morey June 13th, 2009 07:19 PM

Hey Jimmy,

The only way to go with a second shooter is to put together a contract for them to sign stating that the footage is the property of you/your studio,that they can't open a video business with in a certain mileage of your studio,etc.Obviously with better wording.Our contract is quite specific as to rights and obligations that the second shooter need to fulfill when shooting with our company.Remember YOUR reputation is riding on this second shooter.Anything he or she does will directly reflect on your business.Be careful!

Ryan

Bruce Patterson June 14th, 2009 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy Conway (Post 1157920)
For those who have dedicated second shooters that they hire for weddings, do you let them use their footage that they shoot for their own reel or portfolio? I'm not sure how the B&G would feel about having their videos on other peoples websites too.

I am thinking about hiring another dedicated videographer to up my production value instead of having the usual assistant or basic shooter. I was wondering what's the best way to conduct this?

Any help is much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I would definitely NOT let my 2nd shooters use footage they shoot while under my company name for their own portfolio. By doing so, you're only fueling someone else's business unnecessarily and when they branch out on their own could definitely lead to lost revenue on your end. If they want to build their own portfolio, I've always said they should start by doing smaller shoots like engagement shoots - that they've organized on their own.

Have them sign a non-competition agreement and you should be fine.

Jimmy Conway June 14th, 2009 04:09 AM

That's what I was thinking but I felt like I was being shady. I'm guessing the only way to keep your good 2nd shooters is to keep the pay really good huh? Thanks for everyone's advice.

Michael Ojjeh June 14th, 2009 08:11 AM

You can also let him link to your website to watch some highlights that he worked on with you, this way it is still your company name that is shown. That could even bring you more business :)

Susanto Widjaja June 16th, 2009 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Ojjeh (Post 1158328)
You can also let him link to your website to watch some highlights that he worked on with you, this way it is still your company name that is shown. That could even bring you more business :)

Great idea!

:)

Santo

Scott Shama June 17th, 2009 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lukas Siewior (Post 1157989)
So treat him well and pay fair price - for the same reason 2 camera videos are that much more expensive. But you'll see how easier it is for you later in post.


So... what is a ball park fair price for a 2nd shooter? I mainly need someone to man a tripod cam during the ceremony, toasts and help set up and break down the tripods and cameras...

Any suggestions for compensation?

Thanks,
Scott

Susanto Widjaja June 17th, 2009 10:46 PM

LESS IS MORE!!!

hahaha.. not in a bad way though..

I just think that you should not give a lot in the earlier jobs.. because if you already give a lot.. then you have nothing else to reward them for their good job.

even worse, you'll feel disadvantaged if you paid them good money and they don't do their job properly.

Santo


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