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Taky Cheung · July 15th, 2013, 11:26 PM

Wasn't able to tap to the church feed. And the officiant refused to be mic'ed, here's my option :)

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Eric Coughlin · July 17th, 2013, 12:05 PM

What about the piano? :)

Al Gardner · July 17th, 2013, 02:10 PM

That probably only works for videographers who are getting thousands of dollars to record a wedding, right?

Noa Put · July 17th, 2013, 05:25 PM

That's the way I get my audio in church, since most recorders I use are about 100 dollar a piece it's a cheap way to secure your audio but no reason to overcharge :)

Paul Mailath · July 18th, 2013, 01:57 AM

just make sure you use the same brand of recorder - syncing up is just about impossible otherwise

Taky Cheung · July 18th, 2013, 02:02 AM

Sync is easy and automatic by PluralEyes.

Jeff Harper · July 18th, 2013, 07:08 AM

Taky, received your package with filter, works beautifully, thank you!

I am getting more like you with audio! I have three recorders and a wireless, so that gives me four options. Not as many as you, but it's not bad!

I LOVE having options with audio, and I hate not having good audio.

Long Truong · July 18th, 2013, 08:46 AM

Officiant refuses to be mic-ed yet is okay with having a bulky recorder taped on his microphone? I will never understand those people's mentality...

Good job on doing what it takes to acquire audio though. I would personally tape a lavalier on those microphones instead of just putting a recorder there but if you didn't have any available lavalier I guess it was still good thinking.

One thing I learned in time that will give me a higher success rate at getting the priest/officiant's cooperation is to tell the groom to come with me when I ask them to be mic-ed. They are usually nicer when they are in front of the couple. If they ever refuse I will turn to the groom right away and tell him that his video will sound like crap and ask him if he's okay that I don't use any of the priest's speeches. They're normally not okay with it so they will do the talking/convincing for me.

Steve Burkett · July 18th, 2013, 08:55 AM

Probably didn't want to be recorded when off to the loo.

Paul Mailath · July 19th, 2013, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Taky Cheung

Sync is easy and automatic by PluralEyes.

not if the two recorders shift out of sync over time - I've had to slow 1 audio track down to 99.97% to get close to a match - that's why I stick to Zooms now

Taky Cheung · July 19th, 2013, 07:59 AM

I have a very old and cheap Olympus that do that. All the newer ones I have including both Olympus DM420 and the Sony ones, they won't drift.

Noa Put · July 19th, 2013, 10:39 AM

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they won't drift

Unless you can prove me wrong all external audio recorders drift, even if it's just a few frames over an hour but none can keep exact sync over that period of time.

I only wonder how pluraleyes does the syncing, it has to be setting a sync at the beginning of the recording, if it would check beginning and end it would not sync up any recorder.

Taky Cheung · July 19th, 2013, 11:16 AM

I don't think I need to proof anything. All the clips I recorded (even those 3-4 hrs with H2n) don't drift. It can be seen easily on the time line. But it's true that all clocking device will drift one way or the other. In the old days where tapes were rolling mechanically on reels, there is a drop of frames every hour. That's why we have drop-frame time code from 30fps to 29.97fps.

As long as PluralEyes do the job for me fine, I have no complain. :)

Noa Put · July 19th, 2013, 12:07 PM

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I don't think I need to proof anything.

Offcourse you don't but I think you shouldn't make claims that aren't true either without backing it up. I have had a discussion some time ago in the audio section claiming my recorders didn't drift either and the audio pro's said that this wasn't possible so I lined up my camera recording with a few of my recorders (like a yamaha c24, zoom h1, zoom h4 and I think I also used my tascam dr40.)

If I line up several videocamera's the audiowaveform stil matches after an hour but all my audio recorders did drift, even if it was a few frames, none kept perfect sync and I posted a framegrab of the drift. the audio guys said I was the luckiest guy on the planet to have external recorders that only drifted a few frames on a hour :)

So, unless you can show this I only can conclude your recorders do drift, even if you might barely hear it in short recordings, but if you would record 2-3 hours constantly you are bound to hear it. this means plural eyes probably only uses a reference point in the beginning to sync up.

Taky Cheung · July 19th, 2013, 12:14 PM

dude, it's a discussion forum. not a court. :)

I don't care how PluralEyes work. As long as it works for me, I can't care much.

July 15th, 2013, 11:26 PM	#1
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Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,509	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) That's the way I get my audio in church, since most recorders I use are about 100 dollar a piece it's a cheap way to secure your audio but no reason to overcharge :)

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July 18th, 2013, 02:02 AM	#6
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) Sync is easy and automatic by PluralEyes. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

July 18th, 2013, 07:08 AM	#7
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) Taky, received your package with filter, works beautifully, thank you! I am getting more like you with audio! I have three recorders and a wireless, so that gives me four options. Not as many as you, but it's not bad! I LOVE having options with audio, and I hate not having good audio.

July 18th, 2013, 08:46 AM	#8
Long Truong Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Toronto & Montreal Posts: 188	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) Officiant refuses to be mic-ed yet is okay with having a bulky recorder taped on his microphone? I will never understand those people's mentality... Good job on doing what it takes to acquire audio though. I would personally tape a lavalier on those microphones instead of just putting a recorder there but if you didn't have any available lavalier I guess it was still good thinking. One thing I learned in time that will give me a higher success rate at getting the priest/officiant's cooperation is to tell the groom to come with me when I ask them to be mic-ed. They are usually nicer when they are in front of the couple. If they ever refuse I will turn to the groom right away and tell him that his video will sound like crap and ask him if he's okay that I don't use any of the priest's speeches. They're normally not okay with it so they will do the talking/convincing for me.

July 18th, 2013, 08:55 AM	#9
Steve Burkett Trustee Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Romsey, UK Posts: 1,261	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) Probably didn't want to be recorded when off to the loo.

July 19th, 2013, 07:59 AM	#11
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) I have a very old and cheap Olympus that do that. All the newer ones I have including both Olympus DM420 and the Sony ones, they won't drift. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

July 19th, 2013, 11:16 AM	#13
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) I don't think I need to proof anything. All the clips I recorded (even those 3-4 hrs with H2n) don't drift. It can be seen easily on the time line. But it's true that all clocking device will drift one way or the other. In the old days where tapes were rolling mechanically on reels, there is a drop of frames every hour. That's why we have drop-frame time code from 30fps to 29.97fps. As long as PluralEyes do the job for me fine, I have no complain. :) __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

July 19th, 2013, 12:14 PM	#15
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	Re: I put recorders everywhere at church. :) dude, it's a discussion forum. not a court. :) I don't care how PluralEyes work. As long as it works for me, I can't care much. __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator