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Old October 29th, 2015, 03:32 AM   #31
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As long as my camera reproduces what the lighting was, I never see a problem.
The problem is that the cameras do not reproduce the lighting as it was seen. The deeply pink image that Robert posted is typical. I'm sure it did not look as pink as that at the time. The cameras overemphasis the depth of colour & it's impossible to white balance it out. I started a thread on this forum about the issue with the pink lights over 3 years ago. How to get correct white balance with weird pink LED uplighters at reception

Obviously from the OP there are now blue lights that do the same.
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Old October 29th, 2015, 06:28 AM   #32
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The problem is that the cameras do not reproduce the lighting as it was seen. The deeply pink image that Robert posted is typical. I'm sure it did not look as pink as that at the time. The cameras overemphasis the depth of colour & it's impossible to white balance it out. I started a thread on this forum about the issue with the pink lights over 3 years ago. How to get correct white balance with weird pink LED uplighters at reception

Obviously from the OP there are now blue lights that do the same.
The pink picture you refer to was more to illustrate the use of lasers and the dots you see on people rather than the colour and its hard to judge lighting from a single small frame. I've never denied that cameras can't reproduce some lighting. However as long as a close enough proximation is found, I don't see any reason for the couple to complain. They're not going to expect natural skin tones from such deep lighting. Well I've never been picked up on it despite a few occasions of intence lighting.

The issues mentioned here aren't just strong blue or pink lighting, but lasers producing dots on people, fast changing colours and other lighting effects some feel is unflattering or aesthetically displeasing. All of which I don't see myself as an issue. Cases where my camera can't reproduce to an acceptable standard the lighting effects being used, then yes this is an issue, but one equally to be blamed on my camera gear as some cameras handle it better than others. However good colour and effective lighting are issues for me throughout the day and frankly a lack of any lighting is more a concern than examples seen here.
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Old October 30th, 2015, 04:05 AM   #33
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The pink picture you refer to was more to illustrate the use of lasers and the dots you see on people rather than the colour and its hard to judge lighting from a single small frame. I've never denied that cameras can't reproduce some lighting. However as long as a close enough proximation is found, I don't see any reason for the couple to complain. They're not going to expect natural skin tones from such deep lighting. Well I've never been picked up on it despite a few occasions of intence lighting.

The issues mentioned here aren't just strong blue or pink lighting, but lasers producing dots on people, fast changing colours and other lighting effects some feel is unflattering or aesthetically displeasing. All of which I don't see myself as an issue. Cases where my camera can't reproduce to an acceptable standard the lighting effects being used, then yes this is an issue, but one equally to be blamed on my camera gear as some cameras handle it better than others. However good colour and effective lighting are issues for me throughout the day and frankly a lack of any lighting is more a concern than examples seen here.
I have no problem with lasers dots & changing colours etc & neither do the cameras. The colours may not be accurate but as it's all so fast moving & changing then nobody notices. The deep saturated pink or blue where the cameras overemphasise the intensity of the colour is a problem for which there is no solution other than adding your own very bright white light.
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Old October 30th, 2015, 09:58 AM   #34
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I could find no WB temperature that made them look vaguely human!
That's bad... worst I've seen. I wondered if it was at all salvageable. With a bit of massaging in post it could be pulled back to some degree of normal. It could look more like this? I suppose one could leave some blue in the scene if you wished.

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Old October 31st, 2015, 05:44 AM   #35
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I just grabbed these images from a show a couple of weeks ago - one of my cameras is fixed in a position and simply feeds a couple of video monitors backstage - fixed focus but left on auto exposure, in this case on the spot setting which closes the iris a little to compensate for the typical theatrical hotspot scenario. The magenta lighting and the blue are simply horrible. The trouble is, they look really nice to the eye - the JVC camera (a 5100) has real issues with these two colours - the mixed lighting image is fine, and looks very similar. In my job I also shoot stills on DSLRs (not video) and I updated one and the newer one also has colour issues - not this blowout - but it finds red through to blue very difficult. It has issues with accurate rendering of these colours - they all seem identical. The older camera is fine.
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