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Old August 7th, 2007, 03:10 AM   #1
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How does Douglas Spotted Eagle do this?

How does Douglas Spotted Eagle do this?

This is a taken from Vegas 6 Editing workshop book page, 351 as a tip.

Before starting any color correction processes, be sure you've got exposure set correctly.My method is to convert the image to greyscale using the B/W filter, and then using Levels to adjust the exposure. Once exposure is correct, then you'll want to remove the B/W filter.

This has been bugging me for some time as i just cant get it? Maybe i have it and dont know that i'm doing it correctly.

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Old August 7th, 2007, 08:16 AM   #2
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Simon, I moved this to it's own separate thread.

Here's a different description of the same process given by Spot:

1. Make the clip B/W (using the Black and White effect)
2. Open Waveform monitor (set to Studio RGB)
3. Add a Levels Filter
4. Use the levels filter to bring up highlights or bring down blacks or both.

Once done, you'll turn off or remove the B/W filter. You can also toggle the B/W filter to see the changes you've made so far.

You might also want to look at the Color Correct DVD available at the VASST site. I'll let Spot get into any more details as needed to his procedure.
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Old August 7th, 2007, 10:38 PM   #3
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Thanks Edward.

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Old August 7th, 2007, 10:41 PM   #4
 
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Nope, you published it pretty well perfectly, Edward!
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Old August 7th, 2007, 10:55 PM   #5
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Would i need to add a new levels filter for each color?
Or just the one filter for overall exposure?

What i tend to do is see if i'm peaking over the 100 mark is so then i would lower the overall levels out, so now eveything sits about the 80 to 90 mark.
This does seem to reduce the overall brightness but not by much and i like the look it gives.I leave Gamma just as it is.

I have been using the Broadcast filter to keep everything legal but i find the look a bit harsh. With levels my footage seems to come alive abit.

Does this seem to be on the right track.

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Levels isn't for "bringing things alive" but rather to repair exposure, set the high and low points of the vid...but after saying that, your workflow is correct, yes.
No, you don't need levels for each color, this is why we measure in Luma mode, as it's about light, not color.
you want your brightest point at 100 and your darkest point at 16 on the scope.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 05:45 AM   #7
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Thanks Douglas, I appreciate your time.
One last question.
Do you mean 16% on the Waveform scope? with Video Scopes Setting set to RGB (16-225)?

I get a little confused with how black blacks should be as i would normally leave them as they are.

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Old August 8th, 2007, 12:17 PM   #8
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Simon, try this tutorial... it explains it with pictures...
http://www.vasst.com/resource.aspx?i...0-90d2f8de9fc1
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Old August 8th, 2007, 03:25 PM   #9
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Thanks Glenn,
I forgot about that tutorial which i have read several times before.

Sometimes to much info gets you side tracked.

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I'd like to add 2 comments to this discussion, if I may.
1-I prefer using the Sony Curves plugin, and adjust the head and toe of the curve to set my luma, while watching the waveform monitor. I have the waveform monitor set for studio RGB. This means RGB16 is zero percent in the WFM scale and RGB235 is 100% on the WFM scale.
2-A common mistake, and I catch myself all the time on this one, is that the scale on the Sony WFM is in %, not in absolute IRE value. That is to say, 16% is NOT 16 IRE. 16% means (235-16)*.16=35 IRE. On the other hand, NTSC pedestal of 7.5 IRE, would be 7.5/(235-16)*100=13%. I really wish Sony would re-write the vertical scale on their WFM to read in IRE values. Display in % is confusing.
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I do agree that the WFM in Vegas is a little weird and confusing.

You could check the "7.5 IRE setup" setting in the settings for it... this will put black level at 7.5 on the scopes. HOWEVER, the scopes don't have a 7.5 marking... which is screwed up. You also can't tell if this setting is on or not.

If you leave the 7.5 setting off, then it kind of resembles a digital waveform monitor... some of them put black level at 0 on the scope.
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Old August 17th, 2007, 08:48 PM   #12
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Just my 2 cents...get the color correcting DVD by Glen and DSE. Well worth its weight in gold!!!
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