Vegas support Red digital? at DVinfo.net

Stephen Eastwood · September 19th, 2007, 03:43 PM

Wondering if I went with a red camera does Vegas support it? are there inherent drawbacks? can I use gearshift to work on proxy files?

Thanks

Stephen Eastwood
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Glenn Chan · September 19th, 2007, 03:54 PM

I believe Vegas should be able to natively edit the quicktime reference files. Rob Lohman (one of the coders for Red) uses Vegas.

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2452

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As others point out, you can use Redcine to convert to a quicktime format that vegas will handle. Rob Lohman uses Vegas, so you can be pretty sure that you'll be covered.

2- Question for the Red team:
Sorry if I haven't been following super closely, but will other NLEs like Vegas be able to edit Redcode RAW without transcoding? Via the quicktime reference file.

2b- Isn't Vegas already real-time 'enabled' so you get comparable real-time to FCP? (As long as your computer can decode AND have enough horsepower to do the effect. And ignoring the RAW processing controls within FCP.)

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Glenn: should be yes to both. Obviously Vegas is 8-bit with a max of 2K.

*Vegas is currently capable of 32-bit processing, but I'm not sure how you'd ingest that into Vegas. AFAIK Vegas doesn't do 16-bit TIFF (and doesn't do DPX or openEXR or 10-bit cineform).

Konrad Haskins · September 19th, 2007, 07:04 PM

Max Res is 2048x2048 which I'm OK with given the very reasonable price.

Stephen Eastwood · September 20th, 2007, 01:13 AM

So technically it does not in full res so it would never be smart to use it to edit since you could not render a final output fullsize.

I am curious if they ever will ad it as I see the red as a viable upgrade to many from hdv/xdcam

Konrad Haskins · September 20th, 2007, 09:50 AM

No Vegas is not the editor to do a full res render from red but then there is very little than can handle that. Not even the most common commercial projector from Christie can handle more the 2048. There is no main stream common commercial use for more than 2048. OK I'm sure there are uses and for those special limited needs you need to pony up the big bucks for an NLE that can handle RED and it will cost a lot more than $135.

Sorry this is just a pet grumble with me people want better resolution than the last Star Wars movie when shown with digital projectors on the BIG screen (1080x2048) for $135 they are asking for a free lunch in my not humble opinion.

Stephen Eastwood · September 20th, 2007, 10:19 AM

Think you are looking at it the wrong way, I have final cut, vegas, adode, and avid liquid, I don't mind spending the money at all I do however mind spending the time to learn and get good at a NLE that cannot handle something I will want and have to learn a whole new program all over again to work it later.

Glenn Chan · September 20th, 2007, 01:37 PM

Right now what you can do is:

A- Master to HD resolution (1920x1080) or 2K (2048x1080; which you can crop to HD).

For video, it's unlikely you'll need to make material at higher resolution than that for a few years.

Some theatres can show 4K (though 2K projection from a Christie looks better than Sony's 4K) but to make a compliant master you need specialized tools and a 4K projector. It makes sense to do that type of work at a facility that can handle it. You need a very fast disk array, software that can make a DCI package, 4k monitoring, etc. etc. All that requires some $ and just as importantly the expertise.

B- For extract 4K stills from Red, go into Redcine and export your stills.

2- Perhaps a smarter way to work is if the NLE had integration with Redcine so you spend less button pushing in making your stills. Perhaps you could change the timeline to 4K and the quicktime reference files to 4K (though I don't know if the NLE will like that since it might think that the clip is still 2k).

Joe Carney · September 20th, 2007, 02:18 PM

If Vegas can support the proxies created by the Red camera (via RedQuick), then it should be able to work as a 4K editing solution.

September 19th, 2007, 03:43 PM	#1
Stephen Eastwood Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Great Neck, NY Posts: 291	Vegas support Red digital? Wondering if I went with a red camera does Vegas support it? are there inherent drawbacks? can I use gearshift to work on proxy files? Thanks Stephen Eastwood http://www.StephenEastwood.com

September 20th, 2007, 02:18 PM	#8
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	If Vegas can support the proxies created by the Red camera (via RedQuick), then it should be able to work as a 4K editing solution. __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

September 19th, 2007, 07:04 PM	#3
Konrad Haskins Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 148	Max Res is 2048x2048 which I'm OK with given the very reasonable price.

September 20th, 2007, 01:13 AM	#4
Stephen Eastwood Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Great Neck, NY Posts: 291	So technically it does not in full res so it would never be smart to use it to edit since you could not render a final output fullsize. I am curious if they ever will ad it as I see the red as a viable upgrade to many from hdv/xdcam

September 20th, 2007, 09:50 AM	#5
Konrad Haskins Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 148	No Vegas is not the editor to do a full res render from red but then there is very little than can handle that. Not even the most common commercial projector from Christie can handle more the 2048. There is no main stream common commercial use for more than 2048. OK I'm sure there are uses and for those special limited needs you need to pony up the big bucks for an NLE that can handle RED and it will cost a lot more than $135. Sorry this is just a pet grumble with me people want better resolution than the last Star Wars movie when shown with digital projectors on the BIG screen (1080x2048) for $135 they are asking for a free lunch in my not humble opinion.

September 20th, 2007, 10:19 AM	#6
Stephen Eastwood Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Great Neck, NY Posts: 291	Think you are looking at it the wrong way, I have final cut, vegas, adode, and avid liquid, I don't mind spending the money at all I do however mind spending the time to learn and get good at a NLE that cannot handle something I will want and have to learn a whole new program all over again to work it later.

September 20th, 2007, 01:37 PM	#7
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Right now what you can do is: A- Master to HD resolution (1920x1080) or 2K (2048x1080; which you can crop to HD). For video, it's unlikely you'll need to make material at higher resolution than that for a few years. Some theatres can show 4K (though 2K projection from a Christie looks better than Sony's 4K) but to make a compliant master you need specialized tools and a 4K projector. It makes sense to do that type of work at a facility that can handle it. You need a very fast disk array, software that can make a DCI package, 4k monitoring, etc. etc. All that requires some $ and just as importantly the expertise. B- For extract 4K stills from Red, go into Redcine and export your stills. 2- Perhaps a smarter way to work is if the NLE had integration with Redcine so you spend less button pushing in making your stills. Perhaps you could change the timeline to 4K and the quicktime reference files to 4K (though I don't know if the NLE will like that since it might think that the clip is still 2k).