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Old November 17th, 2007, 07:27 AM   #1
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Heat problem makes Vegas fail...

Hi, I'm using PC Probe software, which came with my motherboard, for monitor my temperature on the cpu.
My problem is that when rendering, the application alert and beeps that the temperature is to high (61 celsius). This (I think) makes rendering fails with Vegas with an error, or the computer reboots.

Do anyone have a recommendation about another cpu cooler and other cooling solutions which makes my cpu less hotter?
Maybe some links to the right (best) cooling fans/products?

I'm usin Sony Vegas 7e with these specc:

Windows XP PRO (x86)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 (2,67MHz)
4GB RAM [667MHz] (3008MB avalible on my x86 Win)
Geforce 7900GS
2x160GB SATA2

No components are overklocked, all original...
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Old November 17th, 2007, 07:34 AM   #2
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I had a bit of an overheating problem for a while and although my solution wasn't as elegant as a CPU cooling fan I am putting one in my new machine. (I simply took off the one side of the computer case and left it naked for all the world to see :-) Not a great idea but it has worked.
Don't know if they ship to Sweden they might but try Tigerdirect.com OR Newegg.com they both should have what you're looking for.
My original solution is OK but you gotta watch the dirt from the room getting into and onto the components. A little DustOff every once in a while works great.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 08:26 AM   #3
 
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Your cable routing, inside the case, has a big effect. That video card is also a big heat generator. It helps to think about how the air flows thru your case. Make sure the hotter exhaust air isn't being drawn into the cool air intake.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 11:37 AM   #4
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Kim, the E6700 is an excellent processor that runs at a cool 65 watts. If you installed it yourself, reinstall and use Artic Silver if you didn't the first time. Your particular processor should not run hot, something is not right.

The following only applies if you built your own. I can't imagine an OEM system running hot unless you inadvertently blocked the air flow. This is why I bought my latest workstation instead of building as I had for the last 15 years. I paid less buying a workstation class Dell at their online outlet than if I had bought the parts and built my own. Heck, the graphics card in my machine currently retails for $1295 but I only paid 2K for the whole system and I got a quad processor and 4MB memory, and two hard drives running off integrated SATA raid 0. Then there are the compatibility issues, cooling issues, I could go on and on, as you all know. I never want to build my own again, unless its for grins and giggles.

Anyway, back to your problem. GIGABYTE GH-PDU21-MF Ball CPU Cooler is a great fan similar to what you might need if you can't otherwise solve your problem, cheap and huge and extremely effective...look at TD or newegg as Don suggested. I suspect it is an issue with your case as Bill suggested it could be. If you think it would help, buy you a big old honkin' Gigabyte (or some other brand) tower if your case is small and look for at least three fans and an aluminum case if you don't have one...yes, I am well acquainted with heat issues, and hope I never become temporaily insane and decide to build my own again....it was not fun tearing my PC apart to install the processor fan, I had to remove the motherboard and my wife was mad because there I was spending ANOTHER evening in the basement. I was running a Duo Core which ran extremely hot, I didn't have a choice.

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Old November 17th, 2007, 12:29 PM   #5
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Upgrading your heatsink won't hurt. Here are the top rated items from SilentPcReview...

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article30-page1.html

If you go with a Thermalright, it will need a fan. Also, consider that your case fan(s) might be inadequate. To test, try running your PC with the case open. If that solves the problem, it's a case fan issue...

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article63-page2.html

Personally, I've been very happy with Thermalright and Zalman products, and have been using Scythe S-Flex fans.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 02:33 PM   #6
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thanks for responses.
I have not build my PC by my self, I bought my PC throw my work, which I choose the components and then I had the computer technician, put it up. So I got it finished delivered with the components i choose.

I open the PC today, and on my graphic card, I found a sticker on "Hitman" (the game), half loose. The glow under the sticker have been to warm and come loose hanging....
I removed it completely.
I did a vacuum, inside whole computer... I noticed that the heatsink had alot of dust inside it, Impossible to remove it because to small area...
I have a big tower, so its alot of space i think (I can't judge).
I took off the one side of the computer case and left it naked like Don Bloom said.

About fans, I have one on the powersupply, one on the cpu, one on the graphic card and one on the back om my PC (blows air out of the case i think)... Maybe I have to few?

Anyway, after this modification I just done, my temperature when rendering, is down to 53 Celsius... GREAT! (30 Celsius idle...)
At last, my PC have stopped warning me the PC is to warm.

I will change to a "better" fan and heatsink then the original Core 2 Duo's anyway if it can lower the temperature more...

Thanks for the tips from everybody.
Will work on with this issue trying to get under 40 Celsius on working temp....
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Old November 17th, 2007, 02:55 PM   #7
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You should buy yourself a can of compressed air and every six months or so, open your case and blow all the accumulated dust that builds up.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 03:07 PM   #8
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Wow, great idea...
I though of bringing my PC to my work, there I have a tourniquet which I could use to blow all the accumulated dust away...
But thats kind of lengthy...

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Old November 17th, 2007, 04:04 PM   #9
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A can of compressed air, especially for your heatsink, is an excellent idea.
The fact that you noticed a lot of dust in it means that it really does need to be cleaned out. That should drop your CPU temp another few degrees as well.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 07:18 PM   #10
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I prefer a vacuum to compressed air. I'd rather get the dust out of the room than to blow it all around. *cough*
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Old November 17th, 2007, 09:52 PM   #11
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Apparently conventional vacuums can cause static that can fry your parts.

One source:
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# NEVER use a conventional vacuum for the inside of your computer; static created can damage the internal components.
http://www.computertrends.com/tips-after-purchasing.asp
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Old November 17th, 2007, 09:59 PM   #12
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Kim, you do NOT need to buy a new heatsink. Check that your current heatsink is correctly installed... e.g. it is flat over the CPU, not slanted to one side or whatever. Taking it out and putting it back in (read the instructions!!!) should work. Do not power on the computer without the heatsink on the CPU.

The heatsinks that come with retail CPUs are good enough to do the job. (Why would they ship you something that is not good enough??) If your CPU can't render without errors then you'd have a defective processor and be eligible for warranty. But chances are that the CPU is fine and that your problem is likely the heatsink not installed correctly (or other cooling problem).

2- The naked computer can help cooling, but I'd be wary of that since objects/liquid can enter the case or you might accidentally knock something out. Once I was doing a live webcast and the sound card was knocked out... the naked computer was a bad idea in that case.
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Old November 17th, 2007, 10:01 PM   #13
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I've heard both air and vacuums recommended. A bit more advanced way to handle it: Spray it with compressed air with a vacuum nearby. Then you get the gunk out, without touching the components with the hose, and a lot less goes into the air. :)

Sometimes I just bring my machines outside and blow them out outside and don't worry about the dust.

But one thing with tower cases to keep in mind with airflow. If there are no air holes on the sides of it, then they're most likely beneath the front bezel. If the machine is sitting on a carpet, the intake on the front bottom is blocked by the carpet and not taking in much air. If you put it on some books or blocks or something, even an inch or so higher, it will get a lot more fresh air in there.

Just a thought..
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Old November 18th, 2007, 12:23 AM   #14
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I hadn't considered static electricity from a vacuum. It should be fine if you use a vacuum hose attachment and touch the case while holding the hose near the end. Any charge between the two will be softly discharged. A wire with a 1 Mohm resistor in series will also do the trick - it lets the current equalize, but not quickly enough to cause a spark. A 50 kV charge would have a peak discharge of 50 mA.

Regarding a poorly seated heatsink, that's not unlikely. Also check that the fan on the heatsink is turning freely. Though a new heatsink probably isn't needed, a top sink will cool better and do it more quietly. As a composer, I always go for a quiet PC solution.

Regarding the open case, that's only needed to test the case temp. If the open case solves the problem, install an additional fan and close the case again.
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Old November 18th, 2007, 02:26 AM   #15
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1- Closed Systems I have a parallel specialism. I've fired updraught and downdraught ceramic kilns. When a system, and here the the PC case, is designed to be enclosed, to allow a partial vacuum to be applied for exhausting purposes, then removing one side kinda defeats the object of the exhaust fan - yeah?

2- Spring Clean! Others here will know the exacting issues I had some 2 years back with my PC failing and falling over on MPEG renders. Why? The main CPU was almost disguised as a South American jungle. Out with the vacuum device, a rubber hose, gaffer tape and a long-handled natural-short-haired artist's brush.

3- "The Heat is ON!" Make sure that the hottest component is nearest the exhaust fan. What's the point in having the exhaust fan dragging heat over other cooler components?

4- GIGO Check those input portals too. To start with I overlooked these. They were so clogged up it was as if the Munsters had taken up residence.

I'll try and drag out a link to the tiny "Horror! Horror!" story fans thing I did.

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