Vegas 4.0 Tutorial? at DVinfo.net

Jamison Olivieri · June 26th, 2003, 05:25 PM

Hey I was just wondering if any of you know of any kind of tutorial of vegas 4.0? Im considering on buying it.

TackleQB@aol.com

Glen Elliott · June 26th, 2003, 05:37 PM

ClassonDemand.net has a 4 DVD disc training series. Love it- Can't wait to get thru it and get my hands dirty with Vegas. It's just hard right now becuase ironicly enough as soon as I decide to make the move to Vegas I land all these gigs (3 weddings and a commercial).

Are you switching from another NLE?

Jeff Kilgroe · June 26th, 2003, 06:50 PM

Have you looked through the PDF documentation for the demo? It should get you well on your way. As for complete tutorials, try searching the net with Google or dogpile. There should be something out there.

Glen's suggestion of the Class on Demand DVDs may work if you want to get going ASAP and don't mind spending the money for them.

Anyway, I would recommend Vegas 4.0 over just about any other NLE software out there. I guess the exception would be if you can afford Avid's offering. And while I'm on the subject of price and affordability, if you do decide to buy Vegas, then head on over to www.dvdirect.com -- they have it for $269.

Glen Elliott · June 26th, 2003, 08:47 PM

Wow thanks for the heads up on DVdirect. They are selling Vegas+DVD for $100 less than B&H is even selling it for!
How reputable are they? Why can they sell it so cheap- is there a catch?

Jeff Kilgroe · June 26th, 2003, 08:53 PM

No catch with DV Direct - great shop. B&H just doesn't sell the volume of software that a lot of other places do, so their prices aren't as good. On the other hand, DV Direct has a rather small camcorder selection (mostly from Canon) and they charge full retail or close to it on most models.

DV Direct is just fine, I've bought a few things from them over the past couple years. Including my copy of Vegas.

I would recommend passing on the Vegas+DVD in favor of just purchasing Vegas alone. The reason why is DVD Architect is just a run of the mill PC DVD creation software. If you don't already have a DVD authoring program, then it's probably a good investment. Otherwise I recommend waiting and saving that extra bit of money to put towards Adobe Encore DVD when it comes available in the next few weeks.

Glen Elliott · June 26th, 2003, 08:58 PM

Dont I need DVDarchitech to encode and author 24p, progressive scan DVDs?! I thought it's encoder added the flags for DVD to decipher the original 24 frames and display a true progressive scan image.
If this can be done using vegas to encode and another program like DVDit (which I already have) then I guess I wouldn't need it! I just thought I had to stay in the Vegas/DVDa workflow to have the end result be a progressive scan DVD.

Jeff Kilgroe · June 26th, 2003, 10:46 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : Dont I need DVDarchitech to encode and author 24p, progressive scan DVDs?! I thought it's encoder added the flags for DVD to decipher the original 24 frames and display a true progressive scan image.
If this can be done using vegas to encode and another program like DVDit (which I already have) then I guess I wouldn't need it! I just thought I had to stay in the Vegas/DVDa workflow to have the end result be a progressive scan DVD. -->>>

No, you don't need DVD Architect! I use Vegas (MainConcept MPEG2 encoder) to encode 24p DVD video streams right there. I author with Pinnacle Impression DVD Pro. I tested the pre-release beta of DVD Architect and found it to be very basic compared to Impression. I think it is pretty similar to DVDit overall.

Now, you will need to make sure that DVDit will not try to re-encode the 24p video stream and futz it all up. If DVDit will do the right thing (which is nothing), then you'll be fine.

Adobe's Encore DVD will be available for pre-order sometime in the next 2 weeks and it is supposed to actually ship this summer. The PC will *finally* have a decent DVD authoring program. Like I said, I use Impression (which is now a dead product) and it's nice, but does have some serious limitations. I also use Apple's DVD Studio Pro for more serious DVD projects, but I haven't tried creating a 24p DVD with it yet.

Tor Salomonsen · June 27th, 2003, 12:21 AM

If you go to
http://www.wideopenwest.com/~wvg/tutorial-menu.htm
you'll find a selection of very good tutorials, a list of sites that has even more Vegas tutorials or where you can exchange Vegas project files (.veg files or veggies as they are sometimes called).

The thing about the Vegas +DVD utility is that it includes the Dolby-certified AC3 encoder which makes the packaged a very good offer - even pricewise.

Imran Zaidi · June 27th, 2003, 07:18 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : ClassonDemand.net has a 4 DVD disc training series. Love it- Can't wait to get thru it ...

Are you switching from another NLE? -->>>

Glen, have you looked through this DVD trainer yet? Just curious if it's any good, since $99.95 for 4 DVDs of training isn't bad, considering a software book usually costs $50.

Andrew Petrie · June 27th, 2003, 07:36 AM

I'm still waiting for the Douglas Spotted Eagle book... It's been on pre order since April, still no stores (online or retail) have it....

I'm going to look at that 4 DVD set, but their site lists Canada shipping at $32 USD!!

Edward Troxel · June 27th, 2003, 08:04 AM

You can find the Vegas Tips, Tricks, and Scripts newsletter at http://www.jetdv.com/tts.

Also, there are tutorials at
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/tutorials/default.asp

Glen Elliott · June 27th, 2003, 08:25 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi :
Glen, have you looked through this DVD trainer yet? Just curious if it's any good, since $99.95 for 4 DVDs of training isn't bad, considering a software book usually costs $50. -->>>

Yeah I'm on disc 3, and yes it's very good. Granted it's not as thorough as it could be, for example they leave out alot of details regarding certian dialogue boxes ect. Then again it's such a robust program it'd be impossible to cover every aspect of the program...especially in 6 hours!

It does go over the basics of the workflow, and does get into some of the effects settings with video and audio. The audio ones make my head spin, they seem so complicated beings I don't come from an audio background.

DVD/video training is always superior for getting me up to speed with a program. Not only am I absorbing the info they explain but I can visually see the steps they take to reach certian setting ect. Whereas a book may be more detailed it lacks the visual reinforcement of actually seeing someone navigate through the program.

Once I saw they were down to $99 (originally posted @ $129) it didn't even get a second though- I went ahead and ordered them on the SPOT (pun intended) ;)

Rob Lohman · July 11th, 2003, 09:22 AM

Vegas tutorial sites:

http://www.wideopenwest.com/%7Ewvg/tutorial-menu.htm
http://www.martyhedler.com/homepage/...Tutorials.html

Andrew Petrie · July 11th, 2003, 10:33 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : <<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi :
Glen, have you looked through this DVD trainer yet? Just curious if it's any good, since $99.95 for 4 DVDs of training isn't bad, considering a software book usually costs $50. -->>>

Yeah I'm on disc 3, and yes it's very good. Granted it's not as thorough as it could be, for example they leave out alot of details regarding certian dialogue boxes ect. Then again it's such a robust program it'd be impossible to cover every aspect of the program...especially in 6 hours!

It does go over the basics of the workflow, and does get into some of the effects settings with video and audio. The audio ones make my head spin, they seem so complicated beings I don't come from an audio background.

DVD/video training is always superior for getting me up to speed with a program. Not only am I absorbing the info they explain but I can visually see the steps they take to reach certian setting ect. Whereas a book may be more detailed it lacks the visual reinforcement of actually seeing someone navigate through the program.
-->>>

I bought the set as well, I'm also on disc 3. He gets some of his technical terms wrong, which kinda bothers me coming from a networking background, heh. But other than that I'm learning a lot more this way.

He could probably do another 6 hour series on just the finer editing techniques, I feel as though this set is only brushing the surface - a testiment to Vegas' power.

I cancelled my book order, no one knows what's going on with that.

Imran Zaidi · July 11th, 2003, 11:59 AM

I ended up buying this DVD set too. I made it through 3 DVDs pretty quickly, and learned quite a bit about where everything is in Vegas. It really is hard to beat visual training. The only reason I haven't gotten to the 4th DVD yet is because I've actually been working on a first project with Vegas, using what I've learned thus far. Which would totally not have been possible with a book. The DVD is just a much faster way to go, at least for me.

I will be tackling the 4th DVD this weekend. Side note, Mr. Spotted Eagle is a pretty good speaker. Wonder what he looks like when he puts down that big tail of Native American hair he's hiding behind his back. Seems like a pretty daunting dude.

Anyway, long story short, if you're just getting into Vegas, this is an excellent tutorial, and really shows quite a bit of power in Vegas, and gets you up and running really fast. I'm very pleased with it, and I'm usually disappointed with such types of training.

Oh, and ClassOnDemand is a great vendor. "Mike" over there really bent over backwards to give me good service and to get me the set quickly so I could get started on my Vegas-powered project.

June 26th, 2003, 05:25 PM	#1
Jamison Olivieri Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CA Posts: 50	Vegas 4.0 Hey I was just wondering if any of you know of any kind of tutorial of vegas 4.0? Im considering on buying it. TackleQB@aol.com

June 26th, 2003, 06:50 PM	#3
Jeff Kilgroe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 681	Have you looked through the PDF documentation for the demo? It should get you well on your way. As for complete tutorials, try searching the net with Google or dogpile. There should be something out there. Glen's suggestion of the Class on Demand DVDs may work if you want to get going ASAP and don't mind spending the money for them. Anyway, I would recommend Vegas 4.0 over just about any other NLE software out there. I guess the exception would be if you can afford Avid's offering. And while I'm on the subject of price and affordability, if you do decide to buy Vegas, then head on over to www.dvdirect.com -- they have it for $269. __________________ - Jeff Kilgroe - Applied Visual Technologies \| DarkScience - www.darkscience.com

June 26th, 2003, 08:53 PM	#5
Jeff Kilgroe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 681	No catch with DV Direct - great shop. B&H just doesn't sell the volume of software that a lot of other places do, so their prices aren't as good. On the other hand, DV Direct has a rather small camcorder selection (mostly from Canon) and they charge full retail or close to it on most models. DV Direct is just fine, I've bought a few things from them over the past couple years. Including my copy of Vegas. I would recommend passing on the Vegas+DVD in favor of just purchasing Vegas alone. The reason why is DVD Architect is just a run of the mill PC DVD creation software. If you don't already have a DVD authoring program, then it's probably a good investment. Otherwise I recommend waiting and saving that extra bit of money to put towards Adobe Encore DVD when it comes available in the next few weeks. __________________ - Jeff Kilgroe - Applied Visual Technologies \| DarkScience - www.darkscience.com

June 26th, 2003, 10:46 PM	#7
Jeff Kilgroe Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Golden, CO Posts: 681	<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : Dont I need DVDarchitech to encode and author 24p, progressive scan DVDs?! I thought it's encoder added the flags for DVD to decipher the original 24 frames and display a true progressive scan image. If this can be done using vegas to encode and another program like DVDit (which I already have) then I guess I wouldn't need it! I just thought I had to stay in the Vegas/DVDa workflow to have the end result be a progressive scan DVD. -->>> No, you don't need DVD Architect! I use Vegas (MainConcept MPEG2 encoder) to encode 24p DVD video streams right there. I author with Pinnacle Impression DVD Pro. I tested the pre-release beta of DVD Architect and found it to be very basic compared to Impression. I think it is pretty similar to DVDit overall. Now, you will need to make sure that DVDit will not try to re-encode the 24p video stream and futz it all up. If DVDit will do the right thing (which is nothing), then you'll be fine. Adobe's Encore DVD will be available for pre-order sometime in the next 2 weeks and it is supposed to actually ship this summer. The PC will finally have a decent DVD authoring program. Like I said, I use Impression (which is now a dead product) and it's nice, but does have some serious limitations. I also use Apple's DVD Studio Pro for more serious DVD projects, but I haven't tried creating a 24p DVD with it yet. __________________ - Jeff Kilgroe - Applied Visual Technologies \| DarkScience - www.darkscience.com

June 27th, 2003, 07:36 AM	#10
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	I'm still waiting for the Douglas Spotted Eagle book... It's been on pre order since April, still no stores (online or retail) have it.... I'm going to look at that 4 DVD set, but their site lists Canada shipping at $32 USD!! __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

June 26th, 2003, 05:37 PM	#2
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	ClassonDemand.net has a 4 DVD disc training series. Love it- Can't wait to get thru it and get my hands dirty with Vegas. It's just hard right now becuase ironicly enough as soon as I decide to make the move to Vegas I land all these gigs (3 weddings and a commercial). Are you switching from another NLE?

June 26th, 2003, 08:47 PM	#4
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Wow thanks for the heads up on DVdirect. They are selling Vegas+DVD for $100 less than B&H is even selling it for! How reputable are they? Why can they sell it so cheap- is there a catch?

June 26th, 2003, 08:58 PM	#6
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Dont I need DVDarchitech to encode and author 24p, progressive scan DVDs?! I thought it's encoder added the flags for DVD to decipher the original 24 frames and display a true progressive scan image. If this can be done using vegas to encode and another program like DVDit (which I already have) then I guess I wouldn't need it! I just thought I had to stay in the Vegas/DVDa workflow to have the end result be a progressive scan DVD.

June 27th, 2003, 12:21 AM	#8
Tor Salomonsen Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Stavanger, Norway Posts: 265	If you go to http://www.wideopenwest.com/~wvg/tutorial-menu.htm you'll find a selection of very good tutorials, a list of sites that has even more Vegas tutorials or where you can exchange Vegas project files (.veg files or veggies as they are sometimes called). The thing about the Vegas +DVD utility is that it includes the Dolby-certified AC3 encoder which makes the packaged a very good offer - even pricewise.

June 27th, 2003, 07:18 AM	#9
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : ClassonDemand.net has a 4 DVD disc training series. Love it- Can't wait to get thru it ... Are you switching from another NLE? -->>> Glen, have you looked through this DVD trainer yet? Just curious if it's any good, since $99.95 for 4 DVDs of training isn't bad, considering a software book usually costs $50.

June 27th, 2003, 08:04 AM	#11
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You can find the Vegas Tips, Tricks, and Scripts newsletter at http://www.jetdv.com/tts. Also, there are tutorials at http://www.sonicfoundry.com/tutorials/default.asp

June 27th, 2003, 08:25 AM	#12
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	<<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi : Glen, have you looked through this DVD trainer yet? Just curious if it's any good, since $99.95 for 4 DVDs of training isn't bad, considering a software book usually costs $50. -->>> Yeah I'm on disc 3, and yes it's very good. Granted it's not as thorough as it could be, for example they leave out alot of details regarding certian dialogue boxes ect. Then again it's such a robust program it'd be impossible to cover every aspect of the program...especially in 6 hours! It does go over the basics of the workflow, and does get into some of the effects settings with video and audio. The audio ones make my head spin, they seem so complicated beings I don't come from an audio background. DVD/video training is always superior for getting me up to speed with a program. Not only am I absorbing the info they explain but I can visually see the steps they take to reach certian setting ect. Whereas a book may be more detailed it lacks the visual reinforcement of actually seeing someone navigate through the program. Once I saw they were down to $99 (originally posted @ $129) it didn't even get a second though- I went ahead and ordered them on the SPOT (pun intended) ;)

July 11th, 2003, 09:22 AM	#13
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Vegas tutorial sites: http://www.wideopenwest.com/%7Ewvg/tutorial-menu.htm http://www.martyhedler.com/homepage/...Tutorials.html __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 11th, 2003, 10:33 AM	#14
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	<<<-- Originally posted by Glen Elliott : <<<-- Originally posted by Imran Zaidi : Glen, have you looked through this DVD trainer yet? Just curious if it's any good, since $99.95 for 4 DVDs of training isn't bad, considering a software book usually costs $50. -->>> Yeah I'm on disc 3, and yes it's very good. Granted it's not as thorough as it could be, for example they leave out alot of details regarding certian dialogue boxes ect. Then again it's such a robust program it'd be impossible to cover every aspect of the program...especially in 6 hours! It does go over the basics of the workflow, and does get into some of the effects settings with video and audio. The audio ones make my head spin, they seem so complicated beings I don't come from an audio background. DVD/video training is always superior for getting me up to speed with a program. Not only am I absorbing the info they explain but I can visually see the steps they take to reach certian setting ect. Whereas a book may be more detailed it lacks the visual reinforcement of actually seeing someone navigate through the program. -->>> I bought the set as well, I'm also on disc 3. He gets some of his technical terms wrong, which kinda bothers me coming from a networking background, heh. But other than that I'm learning a lot more this way. He could probably do another 6 hour series on just the finer editing techniques, I feel as though this set is only brushing the surface - a testiment to Vegas' power. I cancelled my book order, no one knows what's going on with that. __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

July 11th, 2003, 11:59 AM	#15
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	I ended up buying this DVD set too. I made it through 3 DVDs pretty quickly, and learned quite a bit about where everything is in Vegas. It really is hard to beat visual training. The only reason I haven't gotten to the 4th DVD yet is because I've actually been working on a first project with Vegas, using what I've learned thus far. Which would totally not have been possible with a book. The DVD is just a much faster way to go, at least for me. I will be tackling the 4th DVD this weekend. Side note, Mr. Spotted Eagle is a pretty good speaker. Wonder what he looks like when he puts down that big tail of Native American hair he's hiding behind his back. Seems like a pretty daunting dude. Anyway, long story short, if you're just getting into Vegas, this is an excellent tutorial, and really shows quite a bit of power in Vegas, and gets you up and running really fast. I'm very pleased with it, and I'm usually disappointed with such types of training. Oh, and ClassOnDemand is a great vendor. "Mike" over there really bent over backwards to give me good service and to get me the set quickly so I could get started on my Vegas-powered project.