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Old May 14th, 2008, 02:32 PM   #1
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Vegas 3 way color corrector like in FCP?

Is anyone aware of a color correction plug-in for Vegas Pro 8 that has low, mid, and high level controls (not just color controls) like the one found in FCP? The color corrector that comes with Vegas let's you adjust colors for shadows, mids, and highlights, but there isn't an individual 'level' control for each. FCP has the color wheel as well as a level control for all three. For example, if I wanted to crush my blacks, bump up the mids, or completely blow out my highlights, what could I use? A third party plug-in would be fine as well, if Vegas doesn't come with something like that.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 02:44 PM   #2
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When I want to crush my blacks, bump my mids, and blow out highlights I use a color curve or levels. Levels is a little easier to use but offers less "preciseness". Color curves are more difficult to use, but offers more "preciseness". Is this what you are looking for?
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Old May 14th, 2008, 02:46 PM   #3
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See if the (free) Six Vector Color Corrector will do what you want.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 04:14 PM   #4
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I think that is what I'm looking for, Andrew. I've not used color curves too much. So using a color curve, a simple vertical adjustment at the top end of the curve would raise highlight levels?
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Old May 14th, 2008, 04:19 PM   #5
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Thanks for the color corrector link. It doesn't seem to be quite what I'm looking for.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 09:03 PM   #6
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The controls offset, gain, and gamma do the same thing as the sliders as in FCP. The interface is different... in Vegas, I believe you'd have to 'juggle' the controls.

I highly prefer the look of curves or levels instead of that method though.
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Old May 14th, 2008, 10:39 PM   #7
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David,

If I'm understanding your "vertical adjustment" comment, then my really simplistic answer would be "yes". Below a link to a tutorial that discusses using color curves to fix washed-out images, or images that are too dark.

http://www.wideopenwest.com/~wvg/tutorial-1.htm

For increasing brightness on the highlights, grab the grab-handle for the upper portion of the curve and raise it up and pull it to the left. To decrease the darks (squash blacks) grab the grab-handle for the lower portion of the curve and pull it down and to the right. For the mids, double-click the line/curve to add a new control point, then move it around or adjust the grab handles. You really just need to do it a bunch of times on a bunch of pictures or videos... after a while it'll start to make sense. Normally I watch the histogram and luminance displays while I do it to make sure I don't blow-out the highlights or squash the lows too much... it's a good visual guide (for me).

I used to go back-and-forth with using versus not using color curves. It took a while before I felt comfortable using them. For me, they offer that extra bit of flexibility that "Sony Levels" alone does not.
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Old May 15th, 2008, 03:29 AM   #8
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There's a 3-way cc in the forthcoming Looks for Vegas (MB3) which appears to give you the control you are looking for. For an idea of what will be in it, check out the After Effects version at http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/magi...s.html#details

Just noticed there is even a screenshot showing the cc in use.

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Old May 15th, 2008, 11:14 AM   #9
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Thank you, everyone, you have been most helpful! I'm really looking forward to magic bullet for Vegas, looks like its coming soon.

I'll start playing with color curves as you suggest, and thanks!
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Old May 15th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #10
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Glenn Chan posted a color curves presets veg on his site that you might want to experiment with.
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Old May 24th, 2008, 06:02 AM   #11
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What are the advantages of the MB3 3wheel corrector versus the one provided by Sony?
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Old May 27th, 2008, 10:39 AM   #12
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Thanks for the presets, Mike! And Roger, as far as the advantages of Magic Bullet, I've only see demos of it's interface and capabilities, but I'm impressed, and it seems clear that it's way more powerful that the included color corrector in Vegas. If you get a free moment, check out some of the video tuturials:
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/feed.rss/8216.html
http://www.redgiantsoftware.com/_ass...ingstarted.mov

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Old May 30th, 2008, 04:38 PM   #13
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What are the advantages of the MB3 3wheel corrector versus the one provided by Sony?
Nice candid answer direct from MB:

"The real answer is that it is up to the user to decide which is best for them. Ours is in there in the context of creating a look, where it might be more useful having it right there. However, if you just want to color correct, and are more comfortable with Vegas' 3-way, then you should use that. To me it is an individual choice, and users should use what makes them the happiest and produces the best results for their work."

Refreshingly straightforward I think!
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:03 PM   #14
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Sounds like you guys need to examine the pictures more. Different cameras need different post adjustments. One single preset isn't going to help.

Curves is a good filter, but please, please, use it in conjunction with the scopes! Quite often you need far more than simple curves. Vegas is damn good at this (far better than FCP in this regard).
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Old May 30th, 2008, 07:41 PM   #15
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Simon,

Any advice on a good way to learn the Vegas color correction, scopes, and curves? Free or low cost is great.
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