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Jason Donaldson · June 15th, 2008, 08:54 AM

Is there an advantage to using nested .veg files? The only one I can see is less time to render the nested .veg file and using the rendered file, as opposed to the .veg file itself

Jeff Harper · June 15th, 2008, 09:28 AM

I do not use nested veg files often, in fact rarely. However, my take on the use of them is that it simply enables the editor to combine projects or parts of a project with ease.

If you are doing a three-part project it might be simpler to edit each section separtely and then just combine them when the individual parts are done.

I cannot see how there would be performance benefits, if that is what you are asking.

Ian Stark · June 15th, 2008, 09:29 AM

On the few occasions I have used nested .veg's they have greatly reduced the complexity of the project. With careful advanced planning, they allowed me to break the project into manageable chunks (title sequence, chapters, credits etc) while retaining some sanity on an otherwise overcrowded timeline.

I'm not aware of any performance gains/hits but I'm sure others will have observations to chip in.

Personally, I prefer the idea of folders within a project, like After Effects, rather than referencing external files. That would allow for simpler media management and project structure, IMHO. More to the point it would facilitate simpler changes to a complex project, without the need to open up a separate .veg to change things around.

Jason Donaldson · June 15th, 2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

I cannot see how there would be performance benefits, if that is what you are asking.

I didn't think there would be any performance benefits in rendering the final project either, including nested veg files.

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Originally Posted by Ian Stark

. With careful advanced planning, they allowed me to break the project into manageable chunks (title sequence, chapters, credits etc) while retaining some sanity on an otherwise overcrowded timeline.

It's true when you put it like that. Alot easier to manage a complicated project.

Graham Bernard · June 15th, 2008, 01:05 PM

Another advantage to using Nested as opposed to Folders, is that the imported VEG is a rendered proxy, and thusly plays better in Preview.

Another one is I can treat the NEST as just another piece of media and do Fxs easily to it without the need to impart a Parent Track to some complex Track section.

Another one is that I can do trannies and so on - it is a piece of Media.

Another one is that I can import the Veg into several other Vegas Projects. My last project required me responding to my client's wishes needing a similar treatment WITHIN each part of a 12 Chapter DVD, AND requiring changes to that section at will - had to do this by quick response via email. THAT was interesting.

The more I use Nesting, the more ways I find TO use it. More graphics, more layers, more compositing - nesting allows to keep my ideas/thoughts on flowing.

Nesting? Best thing since sliced Bread!

BTW? What IS so good about sliced bread? You don't need to slice it!

Grazie

Ian Stark · June 15th, 2008, 01:22 PM

Yep, agreed with all of that. Sounds like your projects might be a tad more complex than mine though. I try and keep mine as simple as possible 'cause I'm a simple kind of guy!

That's why, for me, folders would work better - I try not to let a project become too 'heavy' during the organisational stages that performance becomes an issue. Simple crossfades (which is pretty much the only transition I use these days anyway) and zero fx (with some exceptions) until the structure is in place. Being able to quickly and easily add/remove/move media into folders on the timeline would be a bigger benefit to me.

What would be nice (for me) would be able to create folders on the timeline that acted like parent tracks and could therefore take folder level fx/track motion etc. Now that would work for me!

Graham Bernard · June 15th, 2008, 04:05 PM

We have Folder Tracks in ACID. It would be neat if this was brought into Vegas too. Now, ACID as a NEST into Vegas is something we've been on about for sometime now.

I'm for simplicity - oh yes. The trick is to make the complex "appear" simple and natural. The Client sees the Swan - not the legs under the water.

Grazie

Ian Stark · June 15th, 2008, 04:07 PM

Hehehe . . . don't make it TOO graceful! Don't want the client to think it's easy, eh?!

Simon Denny · June 15th, 2008, 04:27 PM

Nesting is the way to go for long edits.
For me i might have a 60 min project with so much in it that at times i'm forever fixing up time line edits.
I now have this down into small projects and then nest them all into a master project,therefore i have less chance of stuffing up a timeline edit in a long project.
Cheers

Graham Bernard · June 15th, 2008, 04:46 PM

Agreed Simon.

Nesting for long form is perfect. There was a time when I would render to a new track to see and amass all the stuff. Now I don't get confused as much. I don't bother now, as I've become a serial vegist and nester!

Grazie

June 15th, 2008, 08:54 AM	#1
Jason Donaldson Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Canada Posts: 180	Nested .veg files Is there an advantage to using nested .veg files? The only one I can see is less time to render the nested .veg file and using the rendered file, as opposed to the .veg file itself __________________ HVR-A1u,WCS-999,HVL-20DW2 w/diff,2xAudio-Technica Freeway 600,Flycam 3000,Vegas 7E

June 15th, 2008, 09:29 AM	#3
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	On the few occasions I have used nested .veg's they have greatly reduced the complexity of the project. With careful advanced planning, they allowed me to break the project into manageable chunks (title sequence, chapters, credits etc) while retaining some sanity on an otherwise overcrowded timeline. I'm not aware of any performance gains/hits but I'm sure others will have observations to chip in. Personally, I prefer the idea of folders within a project, like After Effects, rather than referencing external files. That would allow for simpler media management and project structure, IMHO. More to the point it would facilitate simpler changes to a complex project, without the need to open up a separate .veg to change things around. __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 15th, 2008, 01:22 PM	#6
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Yep, agreed with all of that. Sounds like your projects might be a tad more complex than mine though. I try and keep mine as simple as possible 'cause I'm a simple kind of guy! That's why, for me, folders would work better - I try not to let a project become too 'heavy' during the organisational stages that performance becomes an issue. Simple crossfades (which is pretty much the only transition I use these days anyway) and zero fx (with some exceptions) until the structure is in place. Being able to quickly and easily add/remove/move media into folders on the timeline would be a bigger benefit to me. What would be nice (for me) would be able to create folders on the timeline that acted like parent tracks and could therefore take folder level fx/track motion etc. Now that would work for me! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 15th, 2008, 04:07 PM	#8
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Hehehe . . . don't make it TOO graceful! Don't want the client to think it's easy, eh?! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

June 15th, 2008, 09:28 AM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I do not use nested veg files often, in fact rarely. However, my take on the use of them is that it simply enables the editor to combine projects or parts of a project with ease. If you are doing a three-part project it might be simpler to edit each section separtely and then just combine them when the individual parts are done. I cannot see how there would be performance benefits, if that is what you are asking.

June 15th, 2008, 01:05 PM	#5
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Another advantage to using Nested as opposed to Folders, is that the imported VEG is a rendered proxy, and thusly plays better in Preview. Another one is I can treat the NEST as just another piece of media and do Fxs easily to it without the need to impart a Parent Track to some complex Track section. Another one is that I can do trannies and so on - it is a piece of Media. Another one is that I can import the Veg into several other Vegas Projects. My last project required me responding to my client's wishes needing a similar treatment WITHIN each part of a 12 Chapter DVD, AND requiring changes to that section at will - had to do this by quick response via email. THAT was interesting. The more I use Nesting, the more ways I find TO use it. More graphics, more layers, more compositing - nesting allows to keep my ideas/thoughts on flowing. Nesting? Best thing since sliced Bread! BTW? What IS so good about sliced bread? You don't need to slice it! Grazie

June 15th, 2008, 04:05 PM	#7
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	We have Folder Tracks in ACID. It would be neat if this was brought into Vegas too. Now, ACID as a NEST into Vegas is something we've been on about for sometime now. I'm for simplicity - oh yes. The trick is to make the complex "appear" simple and natural. The Client sees the Swan - not the legs under the water. Grazie

June 15th, 2008, 04:27 PM	#9
Simon Denny Trustee Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,409	Nesting is the way to go for long edits. For me i might have a 60 min project with so much in it that at times i'm forever fixing up time line edits. I now have this down into small projects and then nest them all into a master project,therefore i have less chance of stuffing up a timeline edit in a long project. Cheers

June 15th, 2008, 04:46 PM	#10
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Agreed Simon. Nesting for long form is perfect. There was a time when I would render to a new track to see and amass all the stuff. Now I don't get confused as much. I don't bother now, as I've become a serial vegist and nester! Grazie