When rendering and burning wav files in Vegas 8 Pro at DVinfo.net

Go Back   DV Info Net > Windows / PC Post Production Solutions > What Happens in Vegas...

What Happens in Vegas...
...stays in Vegas! This PC-based editing app is a safe bet with these tips.


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:13 PM   #1
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: OC, CA
Posts: 340
When rendering and burning wav files in Vegas 8 Pro

How can I tell before rendering how large the project will be after rendering? I just rendered ac3 to wav, and the file came to 1.19 gb, way too large to fit on a blank CD (700 mb). I then had to cut back some songs, rendered again, still over 700 mb, deleted couple more songs, rendered,.....

Thanks,
Norris Combs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:17 PM   #2
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 8,421
Why not render to MP3?
Jeff Harper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:20 PM   #3
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: OC, CA
Posts: 340
I do that most of the time for my car. But my wife's car CD player cannot play mp3, so I need to make a wav cd for her.
Norris Combs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:25 PM   #4
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 8,421
Well Norris, I don't know of a way to know in advance of file size in advance of rendering.

I know if it were me I would just have to render at different settings untl I found the right setting.

You just need to adjust the audio properties and play with it until you find the right size, unless someone else steps in here with an idea.

good luck!
Jeff Harper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2008, 07:55 PM   #5
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Windsor, ON Canada
Posts: 2,765
Looking at my bitrate calculator, it says 74 min. for a 650 MB CD. and 80 min. for a 700 MB. CD.
Mike Kujbida is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2008, 09:47 PM   #6
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
Posts: 326
It usually says right on the CD packaging; "80 minutes" or "74 minutes." Since audio CDs only use 44.1k 16bit stereo audio at a fixed bitrate, the 74 or 80 minute number is always accurate.

DVDs sometimes say "120 minutes" which is marketing nonsense. How much you can fit on a DVD time-wise is entirely a function of bitrate. In that case of MPEG2 video encoding, bitrate can be set to by the user when encoding. It could be anything from, let's say, 74 minutes at 8Mbits/sec, to 9 hours (or more) at 1.864Mbits/sec (or less.)
John Cline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2008, 11:00 PM   #7
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: OC, CA
Posts: 340
So if my ac3 file is 60 minutes long on the Vegas timeline, it should fit on the CD fine PROVIDED I burn in ac3. However, after rendering to wav, the size balloons out as expected. It's this surprise balloon size that I need to find out before rendering.

Thanks,
Norris Combs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 22nd, 2008, 11:19 PM   #8
Major Player
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
Posts: 326
Quote:
Originally Posted by Norris Combs View Post
So if my ac3 file is 60 minutes long on the Vegas timeline, it should fit on the CD fine PROVIDED I burn in ac3. However, after rendering to wav, the size balloons out as expected. It's this surprise balloon size that I need to find out before rendering.
NO. 60 minutes is 60 minutes. Audio CDs have ONE format: 44.1k 16bit stereo. If your .AC3 file is 60 minutes on the Vegas timeline, it will EASILY fit on an 80 minute CD. Just render as .WAV format 44100 16bit stereo. Of course, you will have to author up an audio CD, you can't just copy a .WAV file to a CD and expect it to play in a CD player. You can make audio CDs from within Vegas. Refer to the manual.
John Cline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 23rd, 2008, 06:58 AM   #9
Sponsor: JET DV
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 7,873
Norris, if your audio is only 60 minutes long, you're fine. Just put it on the timeline, add CD markers as desired, and then go to Tools - Burn Disc, and pick the appropriate CD option. (I use Disc At Once Audio CD). That will automatically convert everything into the proper format for the CD and burn it.
__________________
Edward Troxel [SCVU]
JETDV Scripts/Excalibur/Newsletters
Edward Troxel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 23rd, 2008, 10:50 AM   #10
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: OC, CA
Posts: 340
I rendered my ac3 file into 2 different files, wav and mp3. So now I have 2 files on the hard drive, let's call them Music.wav and Music.mp3. When I go to Tools-Burn Disc-Disc At Once, I don't see the option for me to select which of those 2 Music files I want burned.

Previously, I only rendered to wav. So I was able to burn Music.wav, since it was the only Music file on the hard drive. Vegas didn't have to choose. Now there's a Music.mp3 file.

Thanks!!!
Norris Combs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 23rd, 2008, 12:45 PM   #11
Sponsor: JET DV
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 7,873
To burn an audio CD:

1. Place your audio on the timeline
2. Use "N" to place CD markers as desired
3. Burn the disc

For a complete writeup, look at Vol 1 #10 of my newsletters
__________________
Edward Troxel [SCVU]
JETDV Scripts/Excalibur/Newsletters
Edward Troxel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 23rd, 2008, 11:59 PM   #12
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: OC, CA
Posts: 340
I did a little "test". Got 2 different projects going, desired final result is a playable wav cd. In one project I rendered the ac3 audio on the timeline to wav, then burned. The other project I did not render, but went directly to burning. Both gave me the same wav cd. So what's the purpose of rendering?

Thanks,
Norris Combs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24th, 2008, 02:00 AM   #13
Inner Circle
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hampshire, UK
Posts: 2,205
Hi Norris.

I think you're getting a bit confused with formats here. You're trying to make a CD for your wife's car, yes? Then you don't want to make a wav CD or an MP3 CD - you are trying to make an AUDIO CD. I don't believe there is any need to render before burning - the CD burning process in Vegas in effect does the render to 44.1k/16bit stereo for you.

Edward's instructions are on the nose and I recommend you read the article in his newsletter which goes into further detail.

Ian . . .
Ian Stark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24th, 2008, 07:19 AM   #14
Sponsor: JET DV
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Southern Illinois
Posts: 7,873
Norris, there's exactly zero difference between rendering to WAV, starting a new project, and going to CD vs going straight to CD from the original timeline. Either way, Vegas creates an audio CD. Going to WAV and starting a new project is really a waste of time and disk space.

Now, mp3 discs are a different story. In that case, they're actually data discs with mp3 files stored on them. You can get much more music on them because mp3's are much more compressed. However, only certain CD players can read them (i.e. your car but not your wife's). You would use some other program to burn them instead of Vegas. You might look at Nero to create an mp3 data disc.


This makes me think of a story from last weekend. I was sound-man at our church for a wedding held there. The groom gave me a CD of the music they wanted. Popped it in the player - nothing. Put it in the computer, Window's Media found 3 songs. Put it back in the CD player - nothing.

About this time the groom walks up and I explain what's happening. He says he's not sure why it wouldn't work as there's 3 mp3 files on the disc. Ahh.... it's not an AUDIO CD! He replied "Sure it is - it's a CD with audio files". Don't think he ever understood that it was not an "Audio CD" but, instead, a CD with audio files. Fortunately Vegas was on the computer so I just loaded the mp3 files on the timeline and burned an actual audio CD for the service.
__________________
Edward Troxel [SCVU]
JETDV Scripts/Excalibur/Newsletters
Edward Troxel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old June 24th, 2008, 10:06 AM   #15
Major Player
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: OC, CA
Posts: 340
Thanks, it's all clear now. For some odd reason, I kept thinking a commercial music CD is in wav format, that's why I wanted to render to wav first, then burn the wav file onto the CD. That's also why I wanted to calculate how much the file size will increase going from ac3 to wav. I even had to choose between 44k or 48k, 8 bit or 16 bit,.....Now burning directly on the timeline, having Vegas automatically select 44.1/16 is great, and the songs are in cda (is that PCM?)

Thanks,
Norris Combs is offline   Reply
Reply

DV Info Net refers all where-to-buy and where-to-rent questions exclusively to these trusted full line dealers and rental houses...

Professional Video
(800) 833-4801
Portland, OR

B&H Photo Video
(866) 521-7381
New York, NY

Z.G.C.
(973) 335-4460
Mountain Lakes, NJ

Abel Cine Tech
(888) 700-4416
N.Y. NY & L.A. CA

Precision Camera
(800) 677-1023
Austin, TX

DV Info Net also encourages you to support local businesses and buy from an authorized dealer in your neighborhood.
  You are here: DV Info Net > Windows / PC Post Production Solutions > What Happens in Vegas...

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

 



Google
 

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:58 PM.


DV Info Net -- Real Names, Real People, Real Info!
1998-2017 The Digital Video Information Network