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Don Boosinger · September 9th, 2008, 10:47 AM

Vegas Pro 8.1 update:
Ready for 64-bit Vegas Pro? The advantages of running Vegas Pro 8.1 on a 64-bit PC with a 64-bit compatible operating system include increased computer memory and editing power, more files open on the timeline, more filters and effects, more cached frames, and faster rendering performance.

Stay tuned for information on the availability of both updates — FREE to registered users of Vegas Pro 8 soon!

Reveived this today!

Paul Cascio · September 9th, 2008, 11:46 AM

Yippee! Can't wait.

Ted OMalley · September 9th, 2008, 06:33 PM

I hope this also resolves 720/60p audio from the EX1/EX3!

Chris Wysocki · September 9th, 2008, 09:17 PM

Nice , finally!!!!!! Sony.... I hope this will help alot of issues, and run alot faster!!!!

I want to start my hawaii HD music movies..... Ill wait to this gets installed first.

Steven Thomas · September 10th, 2008, 09:40 PM

I also hope they straighten out the colorspace madness...

Bill Ravens · September 10th, 2008, 10:00 PM

I suspect Sony is selling a wee bit of misinformation when they claim faster performance with 64-bit. Thie arguement against a render speed increase is an old one. Here's some concrete results comparing 32-bit and 64-bit. It would seem 32-bit has a noticeable advantage...
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2280814,00.asp

Andy Mace · September 10th, 2008, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

I suspect Sony is selling a wee bit of misinformation when they claim faster performance with 64-bit. Thie arguement against a render speed increase is an old one. Here's some concrete results comparing 32-bit and 64-bit. It would seem 32-bit has a noticeable advantage...
Performance Shootout: Vista 32-bit versus Vista 64-bit - Content Creation: Media Editing and Encoding Tests - OS, Software & Networking by ExtremeTech

Not a good comparison. They're running a 32bit app on a 64 bit os. We'll have to wait and see. I have my 64 bit copy of XP waiting... :lol:

Jeff Harper · September 10th, 2008, 10:31 PM

32 bit apps do run better on 32 bit systems, that is no secret. I have seen very few advantages, if any running 64 bit OS at this point in time, as there are virtually no 64 bit programs. IE 64 bit cannot even deal with flash, as Adobe doesn't support 64 bit in any shape or form. Since the upcoming release of Vegas is 64 bit and designed to run on 64 bit there should undoubtedly be some improvements in at least some aspects of Vegas performance.

I suspect nice performance increases due to the length of time sony has had 64 bit version in development. But I could be wrong, and you could be right, Bill. We will only know when it is released. And then we will find out pretty quickly, many of us are lined up with our 64 bit OSs already running just waiting for the new release. I personally dislike Vista but have been running 64 bit for a while now getting the bugs out just in anticipation of this release. I personally am looking forward to it.

Mike Kujbida · September 11th, 2008, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Mace

I have my 64 bit copy of XP waiting... :lol:

Sony said some time ago that the 64-bit version would be for Vista only so, if you want to try it on XP 64, it sounds like you'll be on your own :-(

Peter Moretti · September 11th, 2008, 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Harper

32 bit apps do run better on 32 bit systems, that is no secret. I have seen very few advantages, if any running 64 bit OS at this point in time, as there are virtually no 64 bit programs. IE 64 bit cannot even deal with flash, as Adobe doesn't support 64 bit in any shape or form. Since the upcoming release of Vegas is 64 bit and designed to run on 64 bit there should undoubtedly be some improvements in at least some aspects of Vegas performance.

I suspect nice performance increases due to the length of time sony has had 64 bit version in development. But I could be wrong, and you could be right, Bill. We will only know when it is released. And then we will find out pretty quickly, many of us are lined up with our 64 bit OSs already running just waiting for the new release. I personally dislike Vista but have been running 64 bit for a while now getting the bugs out just in anticipation of this release. I personally am looking forward to it.

64bit OS running a 64bit app should scream. I don't think you'll be disappointed *knocks on wood*.

... Too late for the knocking on wood, actually, after looking at the article more closely, the results w/ 64 + 64 are decidedly mixed.

Bill Ravens · September 11th, 2008, 06:31 AM

I used to run a lot of 10-bit apps on Sun machines, using Sun OS, a Unix based OS. The reason for using a Sun or SGI graphics machine was for the increased mathematical precision that 10-bit offers. While 10-bit processing seems to run faster, the increased mathematical processing takes longer. The net effect is/was zero sum gain. So, I would expect increases in the area of precision(less banding due to the finer step size in color mapping), ability to handle larger chunk sizes in RAM, I would be surprised at an increase in render speeds. This would seem particularly true since 64-bit requires considerably more system resources, i.e system overhead, than 32 bit. That's one reason 64-bit hasn't been successfully introduced before the advent of multi core processors.

It is a curiousity that the Mainconcept 64-bit MPEG2 codec tested as faster than 32-bit, and considerably faster, at that. Perhaps this is a true 64-bit code.

Jeff Harper · September 11th, 2008, 07:33 AM

Personally, I agree that render speeds may not improve that much, I don't have the technical knowledge to back that up. It's just not something I expected 64 bit to help with that much. The Sony tech I spoke with a couple of weeks ago downplayed rendering speed increases also. I am really interested to see if playback performance improves at all.

Andy Mace · September 11th, 2008, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Kujbida

Sony said some time ago that the 64-bit version would be for Vista only so, if you want to try it on XP 64, it sounds like you'll be on your own :-(

Ha! I didn't see that. This release will be useless to me as I'm avoiding vista until it does better than it has for my friends and customers.

Jason Bodnar · September 11th, 2008, 10:56 AM

The big advantage is RAM as with 64bit the 4GB limit is gone and in fact the 64bit version of Vista Ulimate will see up to 128GB of RAM.... Vegas loves RAM So if you have say 8GB to 16GB of RAM or more depending on how Sony wrote their code Vegas may be screaming fast...especially RAM previews and effects and such.

Jeff Harper · September 11th, 2008, 11:33 AM

Well Andy, I'm no cheerleader for Vista. I have griped here about it's annoyances. Tech forums webwide are still filled with software engineers, etc., who have many complaints about it. On top of all that, the best thing most of it's fans can say it that it works for them and doesn't crash. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Videoguys.com is still strongly discouraging it's use on new NLE workstations. We have all heard the pros (as weak as they are!) and cons ad naseum of course.

Nevertheless, I have found Vista 64 bit to be very stable overall. And when tweaked properly it seems about as efficient as XP Pro. If it weren't for the upcoming Vegas release I wouldn't even have bought it though, because there really is no reason for it otherwise, IMO.

Interestingly, I was perusing laptops at Circuit City a month ago, and three of their newest arrivals have Vista 64 bit installed. I have to admit I was shocked. Microsoft is going the way of 64 bit and I don't think they are looking back.

I think with the inherent stabilty of Vegas, Vista 64 bit is a safe bet if you have the proper hardware. I suspect it will be hard to hold back if the experiences of those who try it are as positive we hope for.

September 9th, 2008, 10:47 AM	#1
Don Boosinger Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rohnert Park, Ca. Posts: 99	Ready for 64-bit Vegas Pro? Vegas Pro 8.1 update: Ready for 64-bit Vegas Pro? The advantages of running Vegas Pro 8.1 on a 64-bit PC with a 64-bit compatible operating system include increased computer memory and editing power, more files open on the timeline, more filters and effects, more cached frames, and faster rendering performance. Stay tuned for information on the availability of both updates — FREE to registered users of Vegas Pro 8 soon! Reveived this today!

September 9th, 2008, 11:46 AM	#2
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Yippee! Can't wait. __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

September 9th, 2008, 06:33 PM	#3
Ted OMalley Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 596	I hope this also resolves 720/60p audio from the EX1/EX3! __________________ Sony EX3, Vegas 9.0 64bit, Windows 7(64), Core i7, 12GB, RAID1 & 0, HotSwap SATA, 30" LCD(2560x1600)-GTX285 & 24" LCD(1360x768)-7800GT

September 9th, 2008, 09:17 PM	#4
Chris Wysocki Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cromwell, CT Posts: 81	Nice , finally!!!!!! Sony.... I hope this will help alot of issues, and run alot faster!!!! I want to start my hawaii HD music movies..... Ill wait to this gets installed first.

September 10th, 2008, 09:40 PM	#5
Steven Thomas Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 1,896	I also hope they straighten out the colorspace madness...

September 10th, 2008, 10:00 PM	#6
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I suspect Sony is selling a wee bit of misinformation when they claim faster performance with 64-bit. Thie arguement against a render speed increase is an old one. Here's some concrete results comparing 32-bit and 64-bit. It would seem 32-bit has a noticeable advantage... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2280814,00.asp

September 10th, 2008, 10:31 PM	#8
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	32 bit apps do run better on 32 bit systems, that is no secret. I have seen very few advantages, if any running 64 bit OS at this point in time, as there are virtually no 64 bit programs. IE 64 bit cannot even deal with flash, as Adobe doesn't support 64 bit in any shape or form. Since the upcoming release of Vegas is 64 bit and designed to run on 64 bit there should undoubtedly be some improvements in at least some aspects of Vegas performance. I suspect nice performance increases due to the length of time sony has had 64 bit version in development. But I could be wrong, and you could be right, Bill. We will only know when it is released. And then we will find out pretty quickly, many of us are lined up with our 64 bit OSs already running just waiting for the new release. I personally dislike Vista but have been running 64 bit for a while now getting the bugs out just in anticipation of this release. I personally am looking forward to it.

September 11th, 2008, 06:31 AM	#11
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	I used to run a lot of 10-bit apps on Sun machines, using Sun OS, a Unix based OS. The reason for using a Sun or SGI graphics machine was for the increased mathematical precision that 10-bit offers. While 10-bit processing seems to run faster, the increased mathematical processing takes longer. The net effect is/was zero sum gain. So, I would expect increases in the area of precision(less banding due to the finer step size in color mapping), ability to handle larger chunk sizes in RAM, I would be surprised at an increase in render speeds. This would seem particularly true since 64-bit requires considerably more system resources, i.e system overhead, than 32 bit. That's one reason 64-bit hasn't been successfully introduced before the advent of multi core processors. It is a curiousity that the Mainconcept 64-bit MPEG2 codec tested as faster than 32-bit, and considerably faster, at that. Perhaps this is a true 64-bit code.

September 11th, 2008, 07:33 AM	#12
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Personally, I agree that render speeds may not improve that much, I don't have the technical knowledge to back that up. It's just not something I expected 64 bit to help with that much. The Sony tech I spoke with a couple of weeks ago downplayed rendering speed increases also. I am really interested to see if playback performance improves at all.

September 11th, 2008, 10:56 AM	#14
Jason Bodnar Major Player Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 376	The big advantage is RAM as with 64bit the 4GB limit is gone and in fact the 64bit version of Vista Ulimate will see up to 128GB of RAM.... Vegas loves RAM So if you have say 8GB to 16GB of RAM or more depending on how Sony wrote their code Vegas may be screaming fast...especially RAM previews and effects and such.

September 11th, 2008, 11:33 AM	#15
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Well Andy, I'm no cheerleader for Vista. I have griped here about it's annoyances. Tech forums webwide are still filled with software engineers, etc., who have many complaints about it. On top of all that, the best thing most of it's fans can say it that it works for them and doesn't crash. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. Videoguys.com is still strongly discouraging it's use on new NLE workstations. We have all heard the pros (as weak as they are!) and cons ad naseum of course. Nevertheless, I have found Vista 64 bit to be very stable overall. And when tweaked properly it seems about as efficient as XP Pro. If it weren't for the upcoming Vegas release I wouldn't even have bought it though, because there really is no reason for it otherwise, IMO. Interestingly, I was perusing laptops at Circuit City a month ago, and three of their newest arrivals have Vista 64 bit installed. I have to admit I was shocked. Microsoft is going the way of 64 bit and I don't think they are looking back. I think with the inherent stabilty of Vegas, Vista 64 bit is a safe bet if you have the proper hardware. I suspect it will be hard to hold back if the experiences of those who try it are as positive we hope for.