How do I set up Regions on a timeline as DVD chapters? at DVinfo.net

David Delaney · November 8th, 2008, 12:29 PM

Is there a way to set up a timeline with video, separate into regions and these can be used as chapters on a DVD using Arch 3?

Jeff Harper · November 8th, 2008, 01:04 PM

Unless I don't correctly understand what you want, in Vegas simply go to the beginning of each section of your video and press m to insert a marker.

Do not do this for the first segment as the first marker will be provided for you later/automatically in DVDA.

Render the project making sure the "save markers" box is checked.

Bring the video into DVDA and do the "insert scene selection menu" thing and then go into the scene selection menu and rename the first chapter and make any adjustments needed and you're good to go.

David Delaney · November 8th, 2008, 01:07 PM

Great, thanks I will try that. I thought it could be done with "R" for regions, but I will try the "M" for markers instead.

Jeff Harper · November 8th, 2008, 02:53 PM

Most all of my projects have chapters in DVDA and that is the only way I know of to do it. There may be other ways.

Actually, you can do nothing in vegas and create the markers/chapters in DVDA since you only have three sections. You would do the same thing in DVDA that you do in Vegas. You would double click the movie on the timeline of DVDA go below to timeline and insert marker, name it, and when finished creating all markers then create scene selection menu.

Edward Troxel · November 8th, 2008, 07:21 PM

You definitely want to use "M" instead of "R". You simply need to indicate the BEGINNING of a chapter, not the entire length. When rendering, make sure the option to include markers is checked. DVD Architect should automatically pick up the markers and use them as chapter points. If you name the markers, it will also pick up those names. You *CAN* put a marker at the very beginning but it's not required.

Paul Cascio · November 8th, 2008, 09:15 PM

Edward, why would you not want to use Regions? Ironically, I had never used regions until this week. I created regions, then used the Batch Render command to Render Regions, which I'll then use as chapters in a DVD Authoring program.

I've got lots of markers, but only some of them mark chapter points. What would I do about those other markers?

Jeff Harper · November 8th, 2008, 10:08 PM

I cannot imagine why you would use anything but markers...it's easy, it works, and that is what chapter markers are designed to do.

That's a good question about the extra markers. I don't use extra markers because I don't know what to do with them. But since most commercial DVDs only have markers and the beginning of chapters, I have always felt that was good enough for me. It would be nice to have the ability to insert them unnamed and not show up on the DVDA menu.

Edward Troxel · November 9th, 2008, 07:15 AM

Regions define a beginning AND ending point. Markers just define a location. Chapter points typically would start at a specific location and continue to the end so a region does not make sense for that. That and the fact that it's designed to use markers as chapter points. The newer versions of Vegas even add i-frames when rendering wherever you have markers so the chapter point can be exactly where you want it instead of the "next i-frame" - wherever that happens to be.

As for your "extra" markers, I see a couple of options.
1. Delete the ones you don't want to use for chapter points
2. Leave them and have extra chapter points but only put the "real" ones on the menu.

I'd probably do #1. Deleting via a script is fast and easy (i.e. using Excalibur I can delete all markers in a selection area at the push of a button).

Jeff Harper · November 9th, 2008, 07:48 AM

Thanks Edward for clearing up the terminology. I was saying markers when I should have been referring to chapter points.

November 8th, 2008, 07:21 PM	#5
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You definitely want to use "M" instead of "R". You simply need to indicate the BEGINNING of a chapter, not the entire length. When rendering, make sure the option to include markers is checked. DVD Architect should automatically pick up the markers and use them as chapter points. If you name the markers, it will also pick up those names. You CAN put a marker at the very beginning but it's not required. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 8th, 2008, 09:15 PM	#6
Paul Cascio Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Bristol, CT (Home of EPSN) Posts: 1,192	Edward, why would you not want to use Regions? Ironically, I had never used regions until this week. I created regions, then used the Batch Render command to Render Regions, which I'll then use as chapters in a DVD Authoring program. I've got lots of markers, but only some of them mark chapter points. What would I do about those other markers? __________________ Paul Cascio www.pictureframingschool.com

November 8th, 2008, 10:08 PM	#7
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	I cannot imagine why you would use anything but markers...it's easy, it works, and that is what chapter markers are designed to do. That's a good question about the extra markers. I don't use extra markers because I don't know what to do with them. But since most commercial DVDs only have markers and the beginning of chapters, I have always felt that was good enough for me. It would be nice to have the ability to insert them unnamed and not show up on the DVDA menu. Last edited by Jeff Harper; November 9th, 2008 at 05:23 AM.

November 9th, 2008, 07:15 AM	#8
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Regions define a beginning AND ending point. Markers just define a location. Chapter points typically would start at a specific location and continue to the end so a region does not make sense for that. That and the fact that it's designed to use markers as chapter points. The newer versions of Vegas even add i-frames when rendering wherever you have markers so the chapter point can be exactly where you want it instead of the "next i-frame" - wherever that happens to be. As for your "extra" markers, I see a couple of options. 1. Delete the ones you don't want to use for chapter points 2. Leave them and have extra chapter points but only put the "real" ones on the menu. I'd probably do #1. Deleting via a script is fast and easy (i.e. using Excalibur I can delete all markers in a selection area at the push of a button). __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 8th, 2008, 12:29 PM	#1
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	How do I set up Regions on a timeline as DVD chapters? Is there a way to set up a timeline with video, separate into regions and these can be used as chapters on a DVD using Arch 3?

November 8th, 2008, 01:04 PM	#2
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Unless I don't correctly understand what you want, in Vegas simply go to the beginning of each section of your video and press m to insert a marker. Do not do this for the first segment as the first marker will be provided for you later/automatically in DVDA. Render the project making sure the "save markers" box is checked. Bring the video into DVDA and do the "insert scene selection menu" thing and then go into the scene selection menu and rename the first chapter and make any adjustments needed and you're good to go.

November 8th, 2008, 01:07 PM	#3
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Great, thanks I will try that. I thought it could be done with "R" for regions, but I will try the "M" for markers instead.

November 8th, 2008, 02:53 PM	#4
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Most all of my projects have chapters in DVDA and that is the only way I know of to do it. There may be other ways. Actually, you can do nothing in vegas and create the markers/chapters in DVDA since you only have three sections. You would do the same thing in DVDA that you do in Vegas. You would double click the movie on the timeline of DVDA go below to timeline and insert marker, name it, and when finished creating all markers then create scene selection menu.

November 9th, 2008, 07:48 AM	#9
Jeff Harper Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 8,425	Thanks Edward for clearing up the terminology. I was saying markers when I should have been referring to chapter points.