Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Michael Best · June 17th, 2004, 01:25 PM

Video shot with two cameras is captured, how do you get that red line that Edward Troxel describes in his "mulit-cam editing" segment that allows you to swtich to another video track without any splits. I tried composite envelope but nothing happened?

Edward Troxel · June 17th, 2004, 01:49 PM

It is the composite envelope. You have to add points where you want the upper track to disappear and then drag the composite envelope down to the bottom.

For the simplest method of Multi-cam editing, though, I'd serously look at Excalibur. Working now on some new features to make it even better!

Michael Best · June 17th, 2004, 01:59 PM

But how do you add it? The opacity env is there automatically
is it not? How do you get the composite env up there? Well,
actually down there because it would start at the bottom of the
first video track correct?

How do you get Excalibur?

Thanks!

Edward Troxel · June 17th, 2004, 02:38 PM

No it is not. You have to insert it. Also, it is a TRACK LEVEL envelope. Go to Insert - Video Envelopes - Track Composite Level. It works just like a velocity envelope or volume envelope. Add points and change opacity as needed.

Excalibur

Dave Largent · June 17th, 2004, 07:03 PM

I read elsewhere an opinion that this is so.
Does supersampling really improve the appearance of
slo-mo clips? If so, what settings should I use.
I ask because I've noticed some loss in resolution
with my slowed clips and was wondering what,
if anything, I could do to counter this.

Edward Troxel · June 17th, 2004, 07:18 PM

Yes it can. When you do slo-mo, you WILL get some softening because the NLE has to create new frames between the existing frame.

Dave Largent · June 17th, 2004, 07:58 PM

Thanks, Edward. Does it help to make it smoother?
Or does it help to cut the loss in resolution?
And what would be a good setting? I have the
option of "2" to "8". Am I correct that the number chosen
will increase rendering time by the factor chosen
(e.g. a setting of "5" will mean that rendering will
take five times the usual)?

Lorinda Norton · June 17th, 2004, 08:42 PM

Ok, Edward, can you help me understand this? I upgraded to Vegas 5 but forgot all about the Neon and Excalibur that we use with version 4. Are you saying that by finding and changing that line on each of the plug-ins we should be able to use our current versions of Neon and Excalibur? Or do I need to buy the upgrades of both?

Edward Troxel · June 17th, 2004, 09:48 PM

No. You need to get the Vegas 5 version of each. On most scripts it IS that simple. Excalibur and Neon are a bit more complicated and several changes were made to make them more compatible with Vegas 5. If you own Neon and Excalibur 2, it's a free update. If you own Excalibur 1 or 1.5, you'll need to upgrade to 2.

BTW, the same holds true for Tsunami as well.

Edward Troxel · June 17th, 2004, 09:51 PM

It will help make it smoother. I wouldn't go above 2 or 3 unless your testing of a very small segment indicated you nee more.

Lorinda Norton · June 17th, 2004, 10:08 PM

In looking at your plug-ins Web page that's kind of what I figured, but had to see if there was a free temporary workaround. :) What you said makes good sense; it just stings a little that I recently bought the "old" Neon, hadn't used it yet, and now it's no good. Shoulda waited!!

Thank you for the explanation.

Edward Troxel · June 17th, 2004, 10:15 PM

If you just purchased it, you should have already received both versions. I believe Gary is giving both right now for each purchase. I know the Vegas 5 versions have been included in each sale since the latter part of April. Otherwise, just contact Gary and he'll provide you with the information you need.

Lorinda Norton · June 17th, 2004, 10:22 PM

Okay, I'll check it out. Thanks!

John Hudson · June 17th, 2004, 10:27 PM

What do you have your PROPERTY TEMPLATE set at? What about the PIXEL ASPECT RATIO?

Edward?!

Sunny Dhinsey · June 18th, 2004, 03:21 AM

Perhaps somebody can help me achieve a desired effect in Vegas (4.0) or tell me that it can't be done!

I want to create footage where only a specific colour is visible and the rest of the image is greyscaled - for example, show red balloons at a wedding reception in colour and have the rest of the venue in greyscale (monochrome).

Another example could be a view of a sports stadium where only green of the grass is showing.

Is this achievable in Vegas 4.0 and if so how?

Hope somebody can help me out!

Thanks guys!

June 17th, 2004, 01:25 PM	#1966
Michael Best Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oceanside Harbor, CA Posts: 446	Composite Envelope Video shot with two cameras is captured, how do you get that red line that Edward Troxel describes in his "mulit-cam editing" segment that allows you to swtich to another video track without any splits. I tried composite envelope but nothing happened?

June 17th, 2004, 07:03 PM	#1970
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Supersampling: Improves Slo-Mo? I read elsewhere an opinion that this is so. Does supersampling really improve the appearance of slo-mo clips? If so, what settings should I use. I ask because I've noticed some loss in resolution with my slowed clips and was wondering what, if anything, I could do to counter this.

June 18th, 2004, 03:21 AM	#1980
Sunny Dhinsey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 127	Bringing Out A Colour Perhaps somebody can help me achieve a desired effect in Vegas (4.0) or tell me that it can't be done! I want to create footage where only a specific colour is visible and the rest of the image is greyscaled - for example, show red balloons at a wedding reception in colour and have the rest of the venue in greyscale (monochrome). Another example could be a view of a sports stadium where only green of the grass is showing. Is this achievable in Vegas 4.0 and if so how? Hope somebody can help me out! Thanks guys! __________________ Sunny Dhinsey Director - www.filmlore.tv

June 17th, 2004, 01:49 PM	#1967
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It is the composite envelope. You have to add points where you want the upper track to disappear and then drag the composite envelope down to the bottom. For the simplest method of Multi-cam editing, though, I'd serously look at Excalibur. Working now on some new features to make it even better!

June 17th, 2004, 01:59 PM	#1968
Michael Best Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Oceanside Harbor, CA Posts: 446	But how do you add it? The opacity env is there automatically is it not? How do you get the composite env up there? Well, actually down there because it would start at the bottom of the first video track correct? How do you get Excalibur? Thanks!

June 17th, 2004, 02:38 PM	#1969
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	No it is not. You have to insert it. Also, it is a TRACK LEVEL envelope. Go to Insert - Video Envelopes - Track Composite Level. It works just like a velocity envelope or volume envelope. Add points and change opacity as needed. Excalibur

June 17th, 2004, 07:18 PM	#1971
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes it can. When you do slo-mo, you WILL get some softening because the NLE has to create new frames between the existing frame.

June 17th, 2004, 07:58 PM	#1972
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Thanks, Edward. Does it help to make it smoother? Or does it help to cut the loss in resolution? And what would be a good setting? I have the option of "2" to "8". Am I correct that the number chosen will increase rendering time by the factor chosen (e.g. a setting of "5" will mean that rendering will take five times the usual)?

June 17th, 2004, 08:42 PM	#1973
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	Ok, Edward, can you help me understand this? I upgraded to Vegas 5 but forgot all about the Neon and Excalibur that we use with version 4. Are you saying that by finding and changing that line on each of the plug-ins we should be able to use our current versions of Neon and Excalibur? Or do I need to buy the upgrades of both?

June 17th, 2004, 09:48 PM	#1974
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	No. You need to get the Vegas 5 version of each. On most scripts it IS that simple. Excalibur and Neon are a bit more complicated and several changes were made to make them more compatible with Vegas 5. If you own Neon and Excalibur 2, it's a free update. If you own Excalibur 1 or 1.5, you'll need to upgrade to 2. BTW, the same holds true for Tsunami as well.

June 17th, 2004, 09:51 PM	#1975
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It will help make it smoother. I wouldn't go above 2 or 3 unless your testing of a very small segment indicated you nee more.

June 17th, 2004, 10:08 PM	#1976
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	In looking at your plug-ins Web page that's kind of what I figured, but had to see if there was a free temporary workaround. :) What you said makes good sense; it just stings a little that I recently bought the "old" Neon, hadn't used it yet, and now it's no good. Shoulda waited!! Thank you for the explanation.

June 17th, 2004, 10:15 PM	#1977
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you just purchased it, you should have already received both versions. I believe Gary is giving both right now for each purchase. I know the Vegas 5 versions have been included in each sale since the latter part of April. Otherwise, just contact Gary and he'll provide you with the information you need.

June 17th, 2004, 10:22 PM	#1978
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	Okay, I'll check it out. Thanks!

June 17th, 2004, 10:27 PM	#1979
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	What do you have your PROPERTY TEMPLATE set at? What about the PIXEL ASPECT RATIO? Edward?!