Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Yi Fong Yu · June 23rd, 2004, 11:43 AM

if you have master&command you know that sometimes the footsteps sounds like they are coming from above. can that be achieved with vegas5?

Rob Lohman · June 23rd, 2004, 11:43 AM

No, that is not possible. Your camera does not support 5.1
sound or AC3. But you can definitely export an AC3 audio track
for use in DVD authoring.

Nuno Madeira Rodrigues · June 23rd, 2004, 11:56 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : No, that is not possible. Your camera does not support 5.1
sound or AC3. But you can definitely export an AC3 audio track
for use in DVD authoring. -->>>

How do I export an AC3 Audio track??

Thanks again!

Peter Sieben · June 23rd, 2004, 11:59 AM

What you can do is render an 5.1 AC3 audio track. Convert that with some freeware tool to a Dolby Prologic Surround WAV file (I use Azid for that, which can create a 24 bit WAV file). I import this WAV file in the timeline and mute all the other audiotracks and render the video + audio to an AVI file which can be transfered back to the camcorder tape. It's not 5.1 DD, but it's an alternative you could consider.

Peter Sieben

Rob Lohman · June 23rd, 2004, 12:26 PM

File -> Render As -> Save As Type = Dolby Digital-AC3?

Harris Ueng · June 23rd, 2004, 01:06 PM

Hello Yi,

There isn't an NLE out there right now (that I know of) that can do automatic mixing (like Vegas) for a 10.2 system with height channel, esp. since there are no commercial theaters out there that incorporate a height channel, AFIK.

As far as "Master & Commander", the 'footsteps coming from above' effect may just be your brain tying in visual cues of what's going on onscreen to sfx and foley that is coming from the audio tracks. In a 5.1 system, there is no height channel.

Glenn Chan · June 23rd, 2004, 08:05 PM

If you use a parametric filter with a deep notch (9dBish) in the high frequency range (7k to 9k) and move it around your brain will perceive some height. You might want to play around with this on some white noise.

This effect works on headphones I believe (and not speakers). The folds in your ear are responsible for this effect- they attenuate those high frequencies due to interference. 7k corresponds to sound on the same level to you, and 9k to sound above you IIRC.

My memory is a bit hazy on this- perhaps the folks in the audio forum will know more.

Yi Fong Yu · June 23rd, 2004, 10:11 PM

thx.q

Adi Head · June 24th, 2004, 12:34 PM

hi.

i edited a wedding ceremony using vegas 4 (still haven't updated). i found it easier to devide my work between two seperate veg files, intending to eventually cut and paste one to the other and make them into one complete project.

i've finished editing and am at that stage where i want to cut and paste. when doing so, i found out that cutting and pasting events from one track to another does not include inserted track envelopes. is there no way to copy envelopes from a track on one veg file to a different track on a different veg file?

Adi Head · June 24th, 2004, 12:54 PM

I GOT IT! sorry for bugging you. i figured it out by myself. completely forgot about the envelope editing tool!! thanks anyway.

Dylan Couper · June 24th, 2004, 04:04 PM

Hey!
I've got a DVX100 (not mine), a stack of tapes shot in 24p, and Vegas 4.0 in front of me.

My project will be outputed to NTSC VHS, it will also incorporate 60i footage shot on Canon XL1 cameras.

I'm not really familliar at all with editing in 24p. What do I need to know about caturing it, editing it, and mixing it with 60i on the same timeline?

Thanks!

Michael Wisniewski · June 24th, 2004, 05:34 PM

See the bottom of page 9: Sony - 24p camcorder support (pdf).

Dylan Couper · June 24th, 2004, 10:21 PM

Micheal
My web browsing computer is half messed up right now, and it won't let me download anything, including .PDFs Could you direct me towards another site?
Thanks!

Peter Jefferson · June 25th, 2004, 05:24 AM

okies heres a wierd one.. in the past, i could easily set any level on any track with n problems..
when encoding to ac3 within vegas, i would set up my metadata etc etc all good...

now..
when i import this into DVD2, and i can see the timeline of audio and video, there are onvious white noise glitches.. these in turn crash DVDA2...

for some reason the encoder is shitting itself and recording noise...
then the ac3 plugin tries to open this file, it completely dies..

Now ive never had issues with noise, or level limits, however im now back to using dvda1 and this is my 4th ac3 render which seems to be unaffected.. mind u ive had to drop levels considerably, but since i installed dvda2, thats when the problems started..

On top of that it takes FOREVER to load up a project..

heres hoping for an update..

Edward Troxel · June 25th, 2004, 07:39 AM

I find it simpler to just render both sections and start a "final" project using the rendered segments.

June 23rd, 2004, 11:43 AM	#2026
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	vegas's 5.1 is 2D only. can it do 3D like master&command? if you have master&command you know that sometimes the footsteps sounds like they are coming from above. can that be achieved with vegas5? __________________ bow wow wow

June 23rd, 2004, 11:43 AM	#2027
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	No, that is not possible. Your camera does not support 5.1 sound or AC3. But you can definitely export an AC3 audio track for use in DVD authoring. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 23rd, 2004, 11:59 AM	#2029
Peter Sieben Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 345	What you can do is render an 5.1 AC3 audio track. Convert that with some freeware tool to a Dolby Prologic Surround WAV file (I use Azid for that, which can create a 24 bit WAV file). I import this WAV file in the timeline and mute all the other audiotracks and render the video + audio to an AVI file which can be transfered back to the camcorder tape. It's not 5.1 DD, but it's an alternative you could consider. Peter Sieben __________________ Peter / Orphic Film www.orphicfilm.nl and www.myspace.com/orphicfilm

June 23rd, 2004, 12:26 PM	#2030
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	File -> Render As -> Save As Type = Dolby Digital-AC3? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

June 23rd, 2004, 10:11 PM	#2033
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	thx.q __________________ bow wow wow

June 23rd, 2004, 11:56 AM	#2028
Nuno Madeira Rodrigues Tourist Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 3	<<<-- Originally posted by Rob Lohman : No, that is not possible. Your camera does not support 5.1 sound or AC3. But you can definitely export an AC3 audio track for use in DVD authoring. -->>> How do I export an AC3 Audio track?? Thanks again!

June 23rd, 2004, 01:06 PM	#2031
Harris Ueng Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 55	Hello Yi, There isn't an NLE out there right now (that I know of) that can do automatic mixing (like Vegas) for a 10.2 system with height channel, esp. since there are no commercial theaters out there that incorporate a height channel, AFIK. As far as "Master & Commander", the 'footsteps coming from above' effect may just be your brain tying in visual cues of what's going on onscreen to sfx and foley that is coming from the audio tracks. In a 5.1 system, there is no height channel.

June 23rd, 2004, 08:05 PM	#2032
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	If you use a parametric filter with a deep notch (9dBish) in the high frequency range (7k to 9k) and move it around your brain will perceive some height. You might want to play around with this on some white noise. This effect works on headphones I believe (and not speakers). The folds in your ear are responsible for this effect- they attenuate those high frequencies due to interference. 7k corresponds to sound on the same level to you, and 9k to sound above you IIRC. My memory is a bit hazy on this- perhaps the folks in the audio forum will know more.

June 24th, 2004, 12:34 PM	#2034
Adi Head Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 642	copying track envelopes. is it possible? hi. i edited a wedding ceremony using vegas 4 (still haven't updated). i found it easier to devide my work between two seperate veg files, intending to eventually cut and paste one to the other and make them into one complete project. i've finished editing and am at that stage where i want to cut and paste. when doing so, i found out that cutting and pasting events from one track to another does not include inserted track envelopes. is there no way to copy envelopes from a track on one veg file to a different track on a different veg file?

June 24th, 2004, 12:54 PM	#2035
Adi Head Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 642	I GOT IT! sorry for bugging you. i figured it out by myself. completely forgot about the envelope editing tool!! thanks anyway.

June 24th, 2004, 04:04 PM	#2036
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	24p DVX100 footage in Vegas Hey! I've got a DVX100 (not mine), a stack of tapes shot in 24p, and Vegas 4.0 in front of me. My project will be outputed to NTSC VHS, it will also incorporate 60i footage shot on Canon XL1 cameras. I'm not really familliar at all with editing in 24p. What do I need to know about caturing it, editing it, and mixing it with 60i on the same timeline? Thanks! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 24th, 2004, 05:34 PM	#2037
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	See the bottom of page 9: Sony - 24p camcorder support (pdf).

June 24th, 2004, 10:21 PM	#2038
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	Micheal My web browsing computer is half messed up right now, and it won't let me download anything, including .PDFs Could you direct me towards another site? Thanks! __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

June 25th, 2004, 05:24 AM	#2039
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	AC3dll plugin errors since installing DVDA2 okies heres a wierd one.. in the past, i could easily set any level on any track with n problems.. when encoding to ac3 within vegas, i would set up my metadata etc etc all good... now.. when i import this into DVD2, and i can see the timeline of audio and video, there are onvious white noise glitches.. these in turn crash DVDA2... for some reason the encoder is shitting itself and recording noise... then the ac3 plugin tries to open this file, it completely dies.. Now ive never had issues with noise, or level limits, however im now back to using dvda1 and this is my 4th ac3 render which seems to be unaffected.. mind u ive had to drop levels considerably, but since i installed dvda2, thats when the problems started.. On top of that it takes FOREVER to load up a project.. heres hoping for an update..

June 25th, 2004, 07:39 AM	#2040
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I find it simpler to just render both sections and start a "final" project using the rendered segments.