Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Andre Andreev · February 23rd, 2004, 06:44 PM

I asked a question ( http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=21502 ) about masking in vegas and here is the knowledge applied:

http://weeklydv.com/short.php?id=173

I used Vegas to isolate the red and desaturate everything else and then got the footage on a pc with afterfx and had Nelly (the director) animate the desaturation using the paint function.

She also added some color to the desaturated image.

Using the paint tool, or should I say, the PAIN tool was very time consuming. After creating 40-50 corrections, the application slowed down to a crawl.

Is there something else you are using for painting over video? I don't think I'd use afterfx again.

Is there a way/plugin for Vegas which provides such functionality?

I know corel painter allows opening an AVI and then painting over each frame -- I tried it but it could not open the 24p AVI file produced by Vegas.

Maybe I should export the footage as TGA...

Thanks!

Edward Troxel · February 23rd, 2004, 08:11 PM

You could export each frame as an individual picture and then individually modify each one in the paint program. However, that would be a LOT of work.

Have you looked at Boris Red? The current version integrates directly with the Vegas timeline.

Andy Shrimpton · February 23rd, 2004, 09:13 PM

Hi All.

I'm fairly new to DV, but am at the stage where I can capture, edit (Using Roxio VideoWave 5 Power Edition) and burn DVDs.

I have very quickly realised the limitations of the Roxio software, it's obviously an entry level program.

What I want to do is capture Bands playing live with the DV Camera, while capturing the sound on Mini Disc, then sync them up later (Amongst other things).

So my questios are these:

1/. Why would I get Vegas over say, Pinnacle?

2/. Where can I load down a demo of Vegas?

3/. How accurate can I get syncing up Audio and Video with Vegas?

4/. What does the program cost approx?

Video Wave is very hit and miss.

I have a Celeron 2.6 processor, 1 gig of Ram, and heaps of hard drive. I'm determined to get a quality product, and am prepared to put the time in to get to know the program so it will do what I want it to.

Any suggestions, advice etc. will be gladly welcomed.

Cheers,

Andy

Insert pithy saying here ------>

Edward Troxel · February 23rd, 2004, 10:37 PM

1/. Why would I get Vegas over say, Pinnacle?
I've heard many complaints of buggy programs from Pinnacle. Vegas has programmers that believe in stability first. If you do a search, you can find many comparisons between Vegas and other NLE's.

2/. Where can I load down a demo of Vegas?

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...p2.asp?DID=447

3/. How accurate can I get syncing up Audio and Video with Vegas?

Vegas has the most audio options of any NLE and is accurate to the sample level. (Vegas 1.0 was an audio mixer - video was added in Vegas 2.0)

4/. What does the program cost approx?

At Videoguys, it's $500 for Vegas and $700 for Vegas+DVD but they have ScreenBlast Acid, Vision Series 1, and Douglas Spotted Eagle's training DVDs included.

Andy Shrimpton · February 23rd, 2004, 10:57 PM

Hi Edward. Thanks for the prompt response.

Where are Videoguys? I'm on Oz, I assume they'll send it O.S. And the price is in U.S Dollars?

I have read on this forum that Vegas is a bit different, and harder to get used to, but once you try it you'll never go back.

I'll load down the demo and give it a whirl!

Thanks again

Andy

Rob Lohman · February 24th, 2004, 05:17 AM

I watched the short Andre and it looked great! Good work!

Rob Lohman · February 24th, 2004, 05:33 AM

Videoguys. The price Edward mentioned is in US dollars indeed

Edward Troxel · February 24th, 2004, 09:45 AM

I just used Videoguys as a quick reference to get a price (that was below full retail). Yes, they are in US dollars and you'll have to check with them about shipping to OZ. I know there are places there selling it but don't know their names. One good thing about the Videoguys offer is that it includes the training DVD set by Spot.

For another tool to help a beginner, look specifically at the "Beginner's Corner" sections of my newsletter

Emre Safak · February 24th, 2004, 02:15 PM

If there is a split command, should there not also be a join command? I tried selecting segments and executing "Group>Create New" but this did not seem to have an effect. I want them to behave as a whole when moving or applying effects, without having to make a selection every time.

I am using version 4.0c

Edward Troxel · February 24th, 2004, 03:11 PM

If you group them, and do NOT have "Ignore Event Grouping" turned on, they will, indeed, move together as one. However, the will NOT be made one.

If they are both sequential from the same clip (i.e. you just pressed "S", delete the right one and then extend the left one to fill the space you just created.

OR, you could use the Unsplit Wizard in Excalibur.

Bryan Roberts · February 25th, 2004, 12:01 PM

Hey all. I did a search for shooting day for night but the majority was the route of putting filters on like blues, and stopping down light with ND's. No one really said if doing this in post was a good idea or not. It seems to me that after fooling around with VEGAS's night filter on daylight shots at around 2pm, the results are fairly good but am I missing something? I have a shoot coming up with my DVX100a and the night time shots are going to be in a car.

Any tips or tricks for keeping the realism factor in there? Should I not attempt this effect in post?

Rob Lohman · February 25th, 2004, 04:10 PM

Bill had some good pointers at the end of this thread.
Also see this thread where I'm linking to a whole
bunch of other threads on the subject. Yes, they are talking
a lot about filters, but also how to record to sell the effect in
post.

I'm suspecting something on Bill's list in the first thread is
probably going "wrong" on your test. Can you post some before
and after pictures? That would help to see where it goes "wrong"

And ofcourse it is always worth trying!

Law Tyler · February 25th, 2004, 04:24 PM

Well, thought I follow-up and let everyone know how it went...

Not so good.

I produced the standard 4:3 DVD some days ago, and it was pretty good, as usual. Even on the widescreen "stretched", it looked good.

But going thru the cropping process, and creating a DVD using DVD Architect via the widescreen mode, the result was OK on regular TV, but real widescreen TV, even a small one (around 30"), it was a bit blurr.

I was optimistic at first, since it looked decent in widescreen mode on my PC DVD player. But I guess the 30" screen has higher demand or something.

Back to wondering whether to get a PDX10...

Rob Lohman · February 25th, 2004, 05:03 PM

Take a look at these threads:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=21041
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=19671
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=14825
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=12688

Bryan Roberts · February 25th, 2004, 05:07 PM

Rob - my problem was that the test I ran seemed to go quite well, but I wasn't sure if I was just unaware that my look was in fact too artificial etc. to be pulled off as an actual night time shot.

Here is a few examples, though mine will be shot from inside a car, these are some landscape pics before and after night mode....

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image0.png
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image1.png
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image2.png
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image3.png
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image4.png
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image5.png

I thought these fairly convincing enough, or displayed that with some tweaking a convincing night mood could be set in a car during the day......

February 23rd, 2004, 06:44 PM	#511
Andre Andreev Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 98	Masking applied I asked a question ( http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=21502 ) about masking in vegas and here is the knowledge applied: http://weeklydv.com/short.php?id=173 I used Vegas to isolate the red and desaturate everything else and then got the footage on a pc with afterfx and had Nelly (the director) animate the desaturation using the paint function. She also added some color to the desaturated image. Using the paint tool, or should I say, the PAIN tool was very time consuming. After creating 40-50 corrections, the application slowed down to a crawl. Is there something else you are using for painting over video? I don't think I'd use afterfx again. Is there a way/plugin for Vegas which provides such functionality? I know corel painter allows opening an AVI and then painting over each frame -- I tried it but it could not open the 24p AVI file produced by Vegas. Maybe I should export the footage as TGA... Thanks!

February 23rd, 2004, 09:13 PM	#513
Andy Shrimpton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Robina Queensland Australia Posts: 73	A Bit of Help Please Hi All. I'm fairly new to DV, but am at the stage where I can capture, edit (Using Roxio VideoWave 5 Power Edition) and burn DVDs. I have very quickly realised the limitations of the Roxio software, it's obviously an entry level program. What I want to do is capture Bands playing live with the DV Camera, while capturing the sound on Mini Disc, then sync them up later (Amongst other things). So my questios are these: 1/. Why would I get Vegas over say, Pinnacle? 2/. Where can I load down a demo of Vegas? 3/. How accurate can I get syncing up Audio and Video with Vegas? 4/. What does the program cost approx? Video Wave is very hit and miss. I have a Celeron 2.6 processor, 1 gig of Ram, and heaps of hard drive. I'm determined to get a quality product, and am prepared to put the time in to get to know the program so it will do what I want it to. Any suggestions, advice etc. will be gladly welcomed. Cheers, Andy Insert pithy saying here ------> __________________ 'This one goes to eleven' Nigel Tufnell

February 23rd, 2004, 10:57 PM	#515
Andy Shrimpton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Robina Queensland Australia Posts: 73	Thanks Edward Hi Edward. Thanks for the prompt response. Where are Videoguys? I'm on Oz, I assume they'll send it O.S. And the price is in U.S Dollars? I have read on this forum that Vegas is a bit different, and harder to get used to, but once you try it you'll never go back. I'll load down the demo and give it a whirl! Thanks again Andy __________________ 'This one goes to eleven' Nigel Tufnell

February 24th, 2004, 05:17 AM	#516
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I watched the short Andre and it looked great! Good work! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 24th, 2004, 05:33 AM	#517
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Videoguys. The price Edward mentioned is in US dollars indeed __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 23rd, 2004, 08:11 PM	#512
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You could export each frame as an individual picture and then individually modify each one in the paint program. However, that would be a LOT of work. Have you looked at Boris Red? The current version integrates directly with the Vegas timeline.

February 23rd, 2004, 10:37 PM	#514
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	1/. Why would I get Vegas over say, Pinnacle? I've heard many complaints of buggy programs from Pinnacle. Vegas has programmers that believe in stability first. If you do a search, you can find many comparisons between Vegas and other NLE's. 2/. Where can I load down a demo of Vegas? http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...p2.asp?DID=447 3/. How accurate can I get syncing up Audio and Video with Vegas? Vegas has the most audio options of any NLE and is accurate to the sample level. (Vegas 1.0 was an audio mixer - video was added in Vegas 2.0) 4/. What does the program cost approx? At Videoguys, it's $500 for Vegas and $700 for Vegas+DVD but they have ScreenBlast Acid, Vision Series 1, and Douglas Spotted Eagle's training DVDs included.

February 24th, 2004, 09:45 AM	#518
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I just used Videoguys as a quick reference to get a price (that was below full retail). Yes, they are in US dollars and you'll have to check with them about shipping to OZ. I know there are places there selling it but don't know their names. One good thing about the Videoguys offer is that it includes the training DVD set by Spot. For another tool to help a beginner, look specifically at the "Beginner's Corner" sections of my newsletter

February 24th, 2004, 02:15 PM	#519
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	How to join / splice segments? If there is a split command, should there not also be a join command? I tried selecting segments and executing "Group>Create New" but this did not seem to have an effect. I want them to behave as a whole when moving or applying effects, without having to make a selection every time. I am using version 4.0c

February 24th, 2004, 03:11 PM	#520
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	If you group them, and do NOT have "Ignore Event Grouping" turned on, they will, indeed, move together as one. However, the will NOT be made one. If they are both sequential from the same clip (i.e. you just pressed "S", delete the right one and then extend the left one to fill the space you just created. OR, you could use the Unsplit Wizard in Excalibur.

February 25th, 2004, 12:01 PM	#521
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	Day for night in Vegas..... worth trying? Hey all. I did a search for shooting day for night but the majority was the route of putting filters on like blues, and stopping down light with ND's. No one really said if doing this in post was a good idea or not. It seems to me that after fooling around with VEGAS's night filter on daylight shots at around 2pm, the results are fairly good but am I missing something? I have a shoot coming up with my DVX100a and the night time shots are going to be in a car. Any tips or tricks for keeping the realism factor in there? Should I not attempt this effect in post?

February 25th, 2004, 04:10 PM	#522
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Bill had some good pointers at the end of this thread. Also see this thread where I'm linking to a whole bunch of other threads on the subject. Yes, they are talking a lot about filters, but also how to record to sell the effect in post. I'm suspecting something on Bill's list in the first thread is probably going "wrong" on your test. Can you post some before and after pictures? That would help to see where it goes "wrong" And ofcourse it is always worth trying! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 25th, 2004, 04:24 PM	#523
Law Tyler Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 204	Well, thought I follow-up and let everyone know how it went... Not so good. I produced the standard 4:3 DVD some days ago, and it was pretty good, as usual. Even on the widescreen "stretched", it looked good. But going thru the cropping process, and creating a DVD using DVD Architect via the widescreen mode, the result was OK on regular TV, but real widescreen TV, even a small one (around 30"), it was a bit blurr. I was optimistic at first, since it looked decent in widescreen mode on my PC DVD player. But I guess the 30" screen has higher demand or something. Back to wondering whether to get a PDX10...

February 25th, 2004, 05:03 PM	#524
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Take a look at these threads: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=21041 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=19671 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=14825 http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=12688 __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 25th, 2004, 05:07 PM	#525
Bryan Roberts Major Player Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 436	Rob - my problem was that the test I ran seemed to go quite well, but I wasn't sure if I was just unaware that my look was in fact too artificial etc. to be pulled off as an actual night time shot. Here is a few examples, though mine will be shot from inside a car, these are some landscape pics before and after night mode.... http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image0.png http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image1.png http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image2.png http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image3.png http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image4.png http://www4.ncsu.edu/~berobert/Image5.png I thought these fairly convincing enough, or displayed that with some tweaking a convincing night mood could be set in a car during the day......