Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Gary Kleiner · March 1st, 2004, 11:50 PM

Also, if you want to split your image so it
"reflects" on itself, there is an FX filter called Mirror.

Gary

Andy Shrimpton · March 2nd, 2004, 12:48 AM

Very close to purchasing Vegas (Thanks to all who have answered my questions, and also contributed to the forums, what a wonderful knowledge base to access!).

My question: Does the academic version differ to the full version, and if so, in what way?

Obviously I'm trying to save a few dollars, but not at the risk of going half assed.

Thanks in advance,

Andy

Aaron Koolen · March 2nd, 2004, 01:02 AM

Hi Andy. There is no difference, other than the price.

Aaron

Glenn Chan · March 2nd, 2004, 01:41 AM

With the academic version you probably can't use it for commercial use, as in anything that makes money.

Rob Lohman · March 2nd, 2004, 03:09 AM

Just to be complete: both also support "dts".

If you are just using stereo sound I would probably just go with
uncompressed PCM (which does around 660 MB an hour for
48 khz [note CD is 44.1], 16 bit stereo) if you don't have the AC3
codec already. Then you can still encode the one hour video at
high bitrates. After the hour you will have to drop the video bitrate.

Joseph Lawrence · March 2nd, 2004, 06:15 AM

I purchased Vegas 4.0 using an academic discount option through efollett.com for $159. It is the full version and there are no constraints concerning end use of projects created with this software. To purchase at that price required verification of student/faculty status only.

Joseph

Todd Metzger · March 2nd, 2004, 08:03 AM

This is an official Sony response to a question just like yours, i.e. EULA, functionality, etc.:

"Thank you for writing. There is no difference between the academic and non-academic versions of the software other than the pricing. Please let me know if you have any other questions."

Todd Metzger · March 2nd, 2004, 08:19 AM

I have always used the Broadcast Safe Colors filter on my Vegas projects. I, also, always just assumed it worked fine. The whites looked grey and the blacks looked lighter on the computer screen. So, I was playing around with a new "trailer" video of mine yesterday that had some really dark blues in it. I ran the the Sony Broadcast Colors filter on it with the Conservative - 7.5 IRE Setup preset. I assumed all was fine. I capped a frame from the video and was playing around in Photoshop and noticed that some of these dark blues still had some lower that "16" Red and Green values. I assumed that all RGB values would be clipped to 16 and higher. Does this sound right? Am I missing something fundamental here that I should know or am forgetting? Any insight or wisdom on this matter would be appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your time, efforts and inputs.

Shane Schmidt · March 2nd, 2004, 09:27 AM

By accident I deleated a clip from the 'Clip Explorer' in Sony Video Capture 4.0...how can I restore this clip?
I checked my recycle bin but alas it did not go there and it seems that there is no undo function in Video Capture 4.

Thanks in advance.

Shane

Edward Troxel · March 2nd, 2004, 09:43 AM

When you delete from the video capture, you are given a few options - one of which is "delete this reference AND the file from the hard drive". If that is the option you chose, then you will have to recapture the clip.

Another option is simply to "Delete the reference". If that is the option you chose, the file is still on the hard drive and you should be able to locate it in the Vegas Explorer window.

Shane Schmidt · March 2nd, 2004, 09:52 AM

Thanks Edward,

I right clicked on the the file in the Clip Explorer and just clicked delete, I don't think you get the "either, or" option when you do this (I would have remembered seeing that).

It looks like I need to recapture this clip after all.

When opening the project it was attached to and clicking Recapture Offline DV media; will it automatically look for that particular clip? (assuming I put the right tape in).

What a pain, I'll never do that again!

Shane

Glen Elliott · March 2nd, 2004, 10:31 AM

Due to the differences in display (YUV vs RGB) you can't accuratly judge your colors by a still capture in Photoshop. It's better to use the various montiors from within Vegas.

Generally though- a video still brought into Photoshop should look a bit under contrast....with it's black being around 16, and white being 235.

Shane Schmidt · March 2nd, 2004, 10:34 AM

Ok, I recaptured my clip, cool feature that "Recapture offline media".

I can breathe easier now, heh, heh...

Thanks again Edward.

Glen Elliott · March 2nd, 2004, 10:39 AM

I think there is an option that you can set up to prompt you on how to delete the file. On my old computer it didn't ask- on the new computer (new install) it shows the dialog Edward mentioned.

Todd Metzger · March 2nd, 2004, 10:58 AM

I didn't even think about the colospace difference. My workflow typically does not follow this path and it just caught my attention as being out of the norm.

The actual blacks and whites were definitely within 16-235. Just the dark blues showed this "problem." Colorspace conversion errors at their finest I guess. :)

March 2nd, 2004, 12:48 AM	#632
Andy Shrimpton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Robina Queensland Australia Posts: 73	Academic Version Very close to purchasing Vegas (Thanks to all who have answered my questions, and also contributed to the forums, what a wonderful knowledge base to access!). My question: Does the academic version differ to the full version, and if so, in what way? Obviously I'm trying to save a few dollars, but not at the risk of going half assed. Thanks in advance, Andy __________________ 'This one goes to eleven' Nigel Tufnell

March 2nd, 2004, 01:02 AM	#633
Aaron Koolen Trustee Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 1,727	Hi Andy. There is no difference, other than the price. Aaron __________________ My Website Meat Free Media

March 2nd, 2004, 03:09 AM	#635
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Just to be complete: both also support "dts". If you are just using stereo sound I would probably just go with uncompressed PCM (which does around 660 MB an hour for 48 khz [note CD is 44.1], 16 bit stereo) if you don't have the AC3 codec already. Then you can still encode the one hour video at high bitrates. After the hour you will have to drop the video bitrate. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

March 2nd, 2004, 08:19 AM	#638
Todd Metzger Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southwest, MO. Posts: 42	NTSC/Broadcast Safe Colors I have always used the Broadcast Safe Colors filter on my Vegas projects. I, also, always just assumed it worked fine. The whites looked grey and the blacks looked lighter on the computer screen. So, I was playing around with a new "trailer" video of mine yesterday that had some really dark blues in it. I ran the the Sony Broadcast Colors filter on it with the Conservative - 7.5 IRE Setup preset. I assumed all was fine. I capped a frame from the video and was playing around in Photoshop and noticed that some of these dark blues still had some lower that "16" Red and Green values. I assumed that all RGB values would be clipped to 16 and higher. Does this sound right? Am I missing something fundamental here that I should know or am forgetting? Any insight or wisdom on this matter would be appreciated. Thank you in advance for your time, efforts and inputs.

March 2nd, 2004, 09:27 AM	#639
Shane Schmidt Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 40	ACK! restoring deleted clip? By accident I deleated a clip from the 'Clip Explorer' in Sony Video Capture 4.0...how can I restore this clip? I checked my recycle bin but alas it did not go there and it seems that there is no undo function in Video Capture 4. Thanks in advance. Shane

March 1st, 2004, 11:50 PM	#631
Gary Kleiner Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Posts: 166	Also, if you want to split your image so it "reflects" on itself, there is an FX filter called Mirror. Gary

March 2nd, 2004, 01:41 AM	#634
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	With the academic version you probably can't use it for commercial use, as in anything that makes money.

March 2nd, 2004, 06:15 AM	#636
Joseph Lawrence Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: fort wayne, IN Posts: 50	I purchased Vegas 4.0 using an academic discount option through efollett.com for $159. It is the full version and there are no constraints concerning end use of projects created with this software. To purchase at that price required verification of student/faculty status only. Joseph

March 2nd, 2004, 08:03 AM	#637
Todd Metzger Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southwest, MO. Posts: 42	This is an official Sony response to a question just like yours, i.e. EULA, functionality, etc.: "Thank you for writing. There is no difference between the academic and non-academic versions of the software other than the pricing. Please let me know if you have any other questions."

March 2nd, 2004, 09:43 AM	#640
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	When you delete from the video capture, you are given a few options - one of which is "delete this reference AND the file from the hard drive". If that is the option you chose, then you will have to recapture the clip. Another option is simply to "Delete the reference". If that is the option you chose, the file is still on the hard drive and you should be able to locate it in the Vegas Explorer window.

March 2nd, 2004, 09:52 AM	#641
Shane Schmidt Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 40	Thanks Edward, I right clicked on the the file in the Clip Explorer and just clicked delete, I don't think you get the "either, or" option when you do this (I would have remembered seeing that). It looks like I need to recapture this clip after all. When opening the project it was attached to and clicking Recapture Offline DV media; will it automatically look for that particular clip? (assuming I put the right tape in). What a pain, I'll never do that again! Shane

March 2nd, 2004, 10:31 AM	#642
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Due to the differences in display (YUV vs RGB) you can't accuratly judge your colors by a still capture in Photoshop. It's better to use the various montiors from within Vegas. Generally though- a video still brought into Photoshop should look a bit under contrast....with it's black being around 16, and white being 235.

March 2nd, 2004, 10:34 AM	#643
Shane Schmidt Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 40	Ok, I recaptured my clip, cool feature that "Recapture offline media". I can breathe easier now, heh, heh... Thanks again Edward.

March 2nd, 2004, 10:39 AM	#644
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	I think there is an option that you can set up to prompt you on how to delete the file. On my old computer it didn't ask- on the new computer (new install) it shows the dialog Edward mentioned.

March 2nd, 2004, 10:58 AM	#645
Todd Metzger Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Southwest, MO. Posts: 42	I didn't even think about the colospace difference. My workflow typically does not follow this path and it just caught my attention as being out of the norm. The actual blacks and whites were definitely within 16-235. Just the dark blues showed this "problem." Colorspace conversion errors at their finest I guess. :)