Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q1Q2)

Bill Ravens · April 2nd, 2004, 01:34 PM

If you turn on the task manager and watch the memory allocation in win XP Pro as it is rendering, you'll see the memory usage displayed. Unfortunately, the display shows total memory, including pagefile. When RAM is full, the system will automatically start swapping out with pagefile. Since the pagefile is really I/O from your hard drive, it's exceedingly slow. So, if you exhaust RAM, you WILL start writing to the pagefile and everything will grind to the speed of molasses. Monitor your memory useage, you'll see when, during the render process, the RAM is exceeded. As I said earlier, it's a function of what kind of rendering is going on. Some transitions and special effects really suck up RAM. For most things, you're right, but, for the few FX that really start crunching, your render time will jump up most noticeably. Agreed, 512 is the MINIMUM I would want to work with, 1 Gig is great if you can afford it, 2 Gig is the best, for those rare FX renders. PTT doesn't require rendering, this is true. but, if you render first, it'll take RAM. BTW, if you're running other programs, they all use RAM. It's possible to have all your RAM committed to other programs and none left for V4. If you have only 512 Megs of RAM, you'd better be real careful about what system utilities and services are running in the background.

Edward Troxel · April 2nd, 2004, 01:43 PM

Now that we know how much you have, yes, you can probably improve some performance with more RAM.

If Vegas, you'll find you need the most need for RAM is when doing RAM Previews. For other activities such as rendering and PTT, it's only working on a limited number of frames at any one time and, therefore, doesn't require much memory.

I have one machine with 256 Meg and one with 1 Gig. Render time IS faster on the 1 Gig machine but the processor is over 4 times faster as well. For rendering and PTT, I'd look at CPU speed and drive access speed first.

Jamison Olivieri · April 2nd, 2004, 06:02 PM

Can someone tell me were to download the script to run "WAX"?

Jean-Philippe Archibald · April 2nd, 2004, 07:44 PM

Follow up.

Rob, thak you, I have reinstalled Directx 9 and WMP and all is working fine now! But I don't know why........

Andy Shrimpton · April 2nd, 2004, 09:26 PM

Thanks Randy,

I'll give it a go when I get home tonight and post tomorrow.

cheers,

Andy

P.S. Edward: I got the DOT NET Framwork happening, will be diving into scripts soon. Thanks to all and sundry for help on this one.

Also Edward, got another question to post in a few hours, if you have time would appreciate your input on that one too.

Edward Troxel · April 2nd, 2004, 09:43 PM

You mean the .NET framework? It's at www.microsoft.com

Jamison Olivieri · April 2nd, 2004, 11:14 PM

Yeah i have net. framework but don't you also need scripts?

Peter Wright · April 2nd, 2004, 11:16 PM

Scripts are part of Vegas 4. No installation required, once .NET framework is.

Jay Mitchell · April 3rd, 2004, 01:20 AM

Dear Group,

I have some really great advance news that I would like to share with you - regarding Vegas and Vegas Group Activities at NAB.

First, I would like to say that I am proud to be a Loyal Vegas User and Supporter. And, I am also very proud of Sony Pictures Digital for Their committment to Vegas and the Product Line.

This year at NAB is going to be Extra Special for Vegas Users - Sony, is showing It's Support and Appreciation to Vegas Users by Hosting a Vegas Users Informal Meeting and Gettogether at the Paris Hotel on Monday Night April 19th from 7:30 to 9:30. There will be Coctails, Hors D'oeures and Great Vegas Conversation.

Everyone, will have a chance to meet Sony Electronics and Sony Pictures Digital Management Teams, including Sales, Marketing, Product Management, Training and Engineering Personnel.

Expect the formal announcement and rsvp info from Sony, shortly.

The Vegas Presentation Area on the Exhibit Show Floor is going to blow everyone's expectations away. Sony, is going all out to show off Vegas 5 and DVDA2. You can expect a very interactive and hands on learning experience.

I am glad to have had a small part in making this happen, for all of us. And, I am ecstatic with the marketing direction that Sony Pictures Digital is Taking!

--Jay Mitchell

Southern California Vegas Users Group

Edward Troxel · April 3rd, 2004, 07:12 AM

There's LOTS of scripts available. I have a large list of script sites at http://www.jetdv.com/tts/forums.htm. You will find the big scripts like Excalibur, Tsunami, and Neon as well many small free scripts.

Vince Debart · April 3rd, 2004, 09:26 AM

Wow thanks for all the info guys… Edward what is "drive access speed"

Sorry for all the dumb questions but I am migrating to Vegas from the Casablanca Avio so I have a lot to learn, but I must say Vegas is very impressive.

Thanks to all this is a very helpful community

Vince

Bill Ravens · April 3rd, 2004, 09:48 AM

If you look at your hard drive specs, one of the parameters they list is "Drive Access Speed" It should be in milliseconds and relates to the time it takes the read head to travel across the platter to the address where the data your trying to read is stored

Douglas Spotted Eagle · April 3rd, 2004, 11:19 AM

"Killer 3D Graphics and Lower Thirds" from VASST is just about ready to ship, and may be pre-ordered at a large discount for the DVInfo.net community. http://www.vasst.com/dvdproducts/cool3d.htm will get you to the site where you can watch a short stream of one of the training module sections.
With the release of Satish's brilliant WAX application, Vegas users can now import 3Ds models to the timeline without rendering, making this a great time to learn Cool 3D Production Studio.
The Sound Forge 7 DVD will also be shipping right after NAB, and we'll shortly announce another DVD we can't say much about right now.

Sunny Dhinsey · April 3rd, 2004, 11:56 AM

Hi Guys,

I was wondering if I can somehow use my LCD FPD Monitor as an external monitor in Vegas (to replace the preview window on screen)

I have a conventional CRT monitor and an LCD Panel connected via the DVI output on my graphics card. I know that Vegas allows external monitor connection via a firewire link, but my LCD FPD doesn't have that and am currently using my Sony PC110E Camcorder to relay the firewire signal to my LCD FPD via an S-Video Connection.

Is there anyway I can connect my LCD FPD to use as an external monitor without having to use my camera to relay the signal.

I hope I'm making sense and would be grateful is somebody could offer some advice.

Glenn Chan · April 3rd, 2004, 12:37 PM

You should do external previews using a TV (preferably a NTSC monitor). There are many reasons for this, including:
A- overscan/underscan
B- a TV shows interlacing.
C- color accuracy- LCDs are not very accurate compared to just any TV. Any TV will be somewhat ok, but I wouldn't trust it.
D- different color schemes- LCDs use RGB and TVs YUV. Computer colors are really illegal for television.
E- a TV has crappy speakers to check if your mix translates ok. (but don't mix on crappy speakers)

A good setup would be:
dual monitors hooked up to your computer's video card
computer hooked up via firewire to your deck/camera, and a TV or NTSC monitor hooked up to your deck/camera.

April 2nd, 2004, 07:44 PM	#1099
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	Follow up. Rob, thak you, I have reinstalled Directx 9 and WMP and all is working fine now! But I don't know why........ __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

April 2nd, 2004, 09:26 PM	#1100
Andy Shrimpton Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Robina Queensland Australia Posts: 73	Thanks Randy, I'll give it a go when I get home tonight and post tomorrow. cheers, Andy P.S. Edward: I got the DOT NET Framwork happening, will be diving into scripts soon. Thanks to all and sundry for help on this one. Also Edward, got another question to post in a few hours, if you have time would appreciate your input on that one too. __________________ 'This one goes to eleven' Nigel Tufnell

April 3rd, 2004, 01:20 AM	#1104
Jay Mitchell Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 40	Some Really Great - Vegas News ! Dear Group, I have some really great advance news that I would like to share with you - regarding Vegas and Vegas Group Activities at NAB. First, I would like to say that I am proud to be a Loyal Vegas User and Supporter. And, I am also very proud of Sony Pictures Digital for Their committment to Vegas and the Product Line. This year at NAB is going to be Extra Special for Vegas Users - Sony, is showing It's Support and Appreciation to Vegas Users by Hosting a Vegas Users Informal Meeting and Gettogether at the Paris Hotel on Monday Night April 19th from 7:30 to 9:30. There will be Coctails, Hors D'oeures and Great Vegas Conversation. Everyone, will have a chance to meet Sony Electronics and Sony Pictures Digital Management Teams, including Sales, Marketing, Product Management, Training and Engineering Personnel. Expect the formal announcement and rsvp info from Sony, shortly. The Vegas Presentation Area on the Exhibit Show Floor is going to blow everyone's expectations away. Sony, is going all out to show off Vegas 5 and DVDA2. You can expect a very interactive and hands on learning experience. I am glad to have had a small part in making this happen, for all of us. And, I am ecstatic with the marketing direction that Sony Pictures Digital is Taking! --Jay Mitchell Southern California Vegas Users Group

April 3rd, 2004, 11:19 AM	#1108
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	New VASST Training DVD "Killer 3D Graphics and Lower Thirds" from VASST is just about ready to ship, and may be pre-ordered at a large discount for the DVInfo.net community. http://www.vasst.com/dvdproducts/cool3d.htm will get you to the site where you can watch a short stream of one of the training module sections. With the release of Satish's brilliant WAX application, Vegas users can now import 3Ds models to the timeline without rendering, making this a great time to learn Cool 3D Production Studio. The Sound Forge 7 DVD will also be shipping right after NAB, and we'll shortly announce another DVD we can't say much about right now. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

April 3rd, 2004, 11:56 AM	#1109
Sunny Dhinsey Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: London, England Posts: 127	External Monitor Setup Hi Guys, I was wondering if I can somehow use my LCD FPD Monitor as an external monitor in Vegas (to replace the preview window on screen) I have a conventional CRT monitor and an LCD Panel connected via the DVI output on my graphics card. I know that Vegas allows external monitor connection via a firewire link, but my LCD FPD doesn't have that and am currently using my Sony PC110E Camcorder to relay the firewire signal to my LCD FPD via an S-Video Connection. Is there anyway I can connect my LCD FPD to use as an external monitor without having to use my camera to relay the signal. I hope I'm making sense and would be grateful is somebody could offer some advice. __________________ Sunny Dhinsey Director - www.filmlore.tv

April 2nd, 2004, 01:34 PM	#1096
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	If you turn on the task manager and watch the memory allocation in win XP Pro as it is rendering, you'll see the memory usage displayed. Unfortunately, the display shows total memory, including pagefile. When RAM is full, the system will automatically start swapping out with pagefile. Since the pagefile is really I/O from your hard drive, it's exceedingly slow. So, if you exhaust RAM, you WILL start writing to the pagefile and everything will grind to the speed of molasses. Monitor your memory useage, you'll see when, during the render process, the RAM is exceeded. As I said earlier, it's a function of what kind of rendering is going on. Some transitions and special effects really suck up RAM. For most things, you're right, but, for the few FX that really start crunching, your render time will jump up most noticeably. Agreed, 512 is the MINIMUM I would want to work with, 1 Gig is great if you can afford it, 2 Gig is the best, for those rare FX renders. PTT doesn't require rendering, this is true. but, if you render first, it'll take RAM. BTW, if you're running other programs, they all use RAM. It's possible to have all your RAM committed to other programs and none left for V4. If you have only 512 Megs of RAM, you'd better be real careful about what system utilities and services are running in the background.

April 2nd, 2004, 01:43 PM	#1097
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Now that we know how much you have, yes, you can probably improve some performance with more RAM. If Vegas, you'll find you need the most need for RAM is when doing RAM Previews. For other activities such as rendering and PTT, it's only working on a limited number of frames at any one time and, therefore, doesn't require much memory. I have one machine with 256 Meg and one with 1 Gig. Render time IS faster on the 1 Gig machine but the processor is over 4 times faster as well. For rendering and PTT, I'd look at CPU speed and drive access speed first.

April 2nd, 2004, 06:02 PM	#1098
Jamison Olivieri Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CA Posts: 50	Can someone tell me were to download the script to run "WAX"?

April 2nd, 2004, 09:43 PM	#1101
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You mean the .NET framework? It's at www.microsoft.com

April 2nd, 2004, 11:14 PM	#1102
Jamison Olivieri Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: CA Posts: 50	Yeah i have net. framework but don't you also need scripts?

April 2nd, 2004, 11:16 PM	#1103
Peter Wright Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 193	Scripts are part of Vegas 4. No installation required, once .NET framework is.

April 3rd, 2004, 07:12 AM	#1105
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	There's LOTS of scripts available. I have a large list of script sites at http://www.jetdv.com/tts/forums.htm. You will find the big scripts like Excalibur, Tsunami, and Neon as well many small free scripts.

April 3rd, 2004, 09:26 AM	#1106
Vince Debart Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 254	Wow thanks for all the info guys… Edward what is "drive access speed" Sorry for all the dumb questions but I am migrating to Vegas from the Casablanca Avio so I have a lot to learn, but I must say Vegas is very impressive. Thanks to all this is a very helpful community Vince

April 3rd, 2004, 09:48 AM	#1107
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	If you look at your hard drive specs, one of the parameters they list is "Drive Access Speed" It should be in milliseconds and relates to the time it takes the read head to travel across the platter to the address where the data your trying to read is stored

April 3rd, 2004, 12:37 PM	#1110
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	You should do external previews using a TV (preferably a NTSC monitor). There are many reasons for this, including: A- overscan/underscan B- a TV shows interlacing. C- color accuracy- LCDs are not very accurate compared to just any TV. Any TV will be somewhat ok, but I wouldn't trust it. D- different color schemes- LCDs use RGB and TVs YUV. Computer colors are really illegal for television. E- a TV has crappy speakers to check if your mix translates ok. (but don't mix on crappy speakers) A good setup would be: dual monitors hooked up to your computer's video card computer hooked up via firewire to your deck/camera, and a TV or NTSC monitor hooked up to your deck/camera.