Tail end of DVD won't play at DVinfo.net

Bryan Beasleigh · February 20th, 2004, 05:39 PM

I'm using Architect with a AO4 burner and pioneer -R DVD's
I rendered a burned a 4.48 gig DVD at a bitrate of 8. The DVD plays wonderfully until the last 5 or 6 minutes then starts to breakup (pixelate) then craps out.
I tried another and it does about the same thing. I tried to burn at a lower bitrate thinking I may have written too far to the DVD's edge for my Panny player to read. I reduced the bitrate to 7 and the file size to 3.9gig and wound up with a coaster (that again could be unrelated.) This is my first use of Architect.

Any thoughts?

Gints Klimanis · February 20th, 2004, 05:59 PM

>I tried another and it does about the same thing.

Did you try on another DVD player or dud you burn another DVD-R disk or brand?

Law Tyler · February 20th, 2004, 06:54 PM

Be aware that if you use cheap low-quality disc, with the edge not being smooth and round in a consistant manner, but is somewhat uneven here and there, even the slightest, can cause problem playing the last few minutes on some DVD players. I guess that is due to the fact that the DVD plays from inside to outside, and when getting towards outside, the unevenness can cause some kind of misalignment in some low-grade DVD players.

I had that problem, trying to save money buying the cheapest "brand" disc I can find from various places. Some of them occasionally had problem in two of my four set-top players playing the last 15 minutes, skipping and freezing here and there. And for a particular disc, it is regular, not intermitten, it happens at that exact spot every time for the same disc.

Now I just go to cdrom2go.com for even cheaper (than the "cheapest") DVD blanks. They are not labeled whatsoever (which is excellent for my custom video), but I have bought hundreds from them and NEVER had a problem. And the edges are 100% smooth and even.

Good luck.

Bryan Beasleigh · February 20th, 2004, 07:04 PM

I buy pioneer dvd's, no cheapies.

"Did you try on another DVD player or dud you burn another DVD-R disk or brand?"

I've used other DVD authoring programs and pioneer disks and never had ythis problem. I usually never push the envelope so far as filling the disk.

Gints Klimanis · February 20th, 2004, 07:10 PM

Bryan,

I do have one production that I pushed to the disk capacity limit, burned to both DVD-R and DVD-RW. I didn't notice any trouble, but I'll report the actual capacity when I get home.

Edward Troxel · February 20th, 2004, 09:21 PM

4.48 Gig?????

A burnable DVD will only hold 4.37 Gig!!!!

Bryan Beasleigh · February 21st, 2004, 12:37 AM

Well that 'splains it. I hadn't used Architect before. i downloaded the update and read Edward's notes in tips and tricks. Tips 'n tricks cleared up a lot. That series is extremely well written and loaded with everything you seem to need.

The overloading of the DVD was a result of Architects "auto" function.

I learned more reading the tips and tricks than by looking at sony's feeble manual.

Thanks Edward and all.

Gints Klimanis · February 21st, 2004, 03:57 AM

Bryan,

My biggest DVD did not exceed the DVD limits Edward just posted.

Hmmm. I'm wondering about "overburn". CDs originally held 650 MB, yet since then, I've been able to burn 700 and 800 MB CDs.
Although CD reader compatibility is not assured on other drives, I have no trouble reading from the outer limits of these disk on the
drive that created them.

Edward Troxel · February 21st, 2004, 06:33 AM

It could still be of questionable length. I would stick with the smaller size and work on getting a good burn from there. Also, did you stick a label on the DVD? Plus, different players have different levels of compatibility. So, it could really be a combination of things.

p.s. Recordable DVDs ARE limited to 4.37 gig - I don't know how you would be able to write an extra 110 Meg.

Rob Lohman · February 23rd, 2004, 05:22 PM

I think it's the famous 1024 - 1000 rounding "issue", Edward.
If you multiple your number by 1024 (the correct number) and
devide it by 1000 you get 4.475 GB which rounds to 4.48.

Edward Troxel · February 23rd, 2004, 08:18 PM

But the computer reporting the size of the file SHOULD be 1024 - limiting it to 4.37. Personally, either way I think it's dangerous to fill up a DVD 100%.

Rob Lohman · February 24th, 2004, 05:18 AM

I agree with both comments Edward. It's just that this "anomaly"
was so close that I thought of it.

Trig Simon · April 12th, 2004, 06:33 PM

I always had trouble with DVD Studio Pro 1.5. Now that I have 2.0, the problem disapeared. I let the program format the bitrate for me. I usually stay under 3.9gb, but can get 1-1/2 hour on it.

I use 4x printable from usdigitalmedia (cdtogo.com) and pay $85/100.

Good luck

February 20th, 2004, 05:39 PM	#1
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Tail end of DVD won't play I'm using Architect with a AO4 burner and pioneer -R DVD's I rendered a burned a 4.48 gig DVD at a bitrate of 8. The DVD plays wonderfully until the last 5 or 6 minutes then starts to breakup (pixelate) then craps out. I tried another and it does about the same thing. I tried to burn at a lower bitrate thinking I may have written too far to the DVD's edge for my Panny player to read. I reduced the bitrate to 7 and the file size to 3.9gig and wound up with a coaster (that again could be unrelated.) This is my first use of Architect. Any thoughts?

February 20th, 2004, 06:54 PM	#3
Law Tyler Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 204	Bad Disc? Be aware that if you use cheap low-quality disc, with the edge not being smooth and round in a consistant manner, but is somewhat uneven here and there, even the slightest, can cause problem playing the last few minutes on some DVD players. I guess that is due to the fact that the DVD plays from inside to outside, and when getting towards outside, the unevenness can cause some kind of misalignment in some low-grade DVD players. I had that problem, trying to save money buying the cheapest "brand" disc I can find from various places. Some of them occasionally had problem in two of my four set-top players playing the last 15 minutes, skipping and freezing here and there. And for a particular disc, it is regular, not intermitten, it happens at that exact spot every time for the same disc. Now I just go to cdrom2go.com for even cheaper (than the "cheapest") DVD blanks. They are not labeled whatsoever (which is excellent for my custom video), but I have bought hundreds from them and NEVER had a problem. And the edges are 100% smooth and even. Good luck.

February 23rd, 2004, 05:22 PM	#10
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I think it's the famous 1024 - 1000 rounding "issue", Edward. If you multiple your number by 1024 (the correct number) and devide it by 1000 you get 4.475 GB which rounds to 4.48. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 24th, 2004, 05:18 AM	#12
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	I agree with both comments Edward. It's just that this "anomaly" was so close that I thought of it. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

April 12th, 2004, 06:33 PM	#13
Trig Simon Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 47	bad burns I always had trouble with DVD Studio Pro 1.5. Now that I have 2.0, the problem disapeared. I let the program format the bitrate for me. I usually stay under 3.9gb, but can get 1-1/2 hour on it. I use 4x printable from usdigitalmedia (cdtogo.com) and pay $85/100. Good luck __________________ Trig Simon 832 Main Toledo OH 43605 419-696-0872

February 20th, 2004, 05:59 PM	#2
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	>I tried another and it does about the same thing. Did you try on another DVD player or dud you burn another DVD-R disk or brand?

February 20th, 2004, 07:04 PM	#4
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	I buy pioneer dvd's, no cheapies. "Did you try on another DVD player or dud you burn another DVD-R disk or brand?" I've used other DVD authoring programs and pioneer disks and never had ythis problem. I usually never push the envelope so far as filling the disk.

February 20th, 2004, 07:10 PM	#5
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Bryan, I do have one production that I pushed to the disk capacity limit, burned to both DVD-R and DVD-RW. I didn't notice any trouble, but I'll report the actual capacity when I get home.

February 20th, 2004, 09:21 PM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	4.48 Gig????? A burnable DVD will only hold 4.37 Gig!!!!

February 21st, 2004, 12:37 AM	#7
Bryan Beasleigh Trustee Join Date: May 2002 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,922	Well that 'splains it. I hadn't used Architect before. i downloaded the update and read Edward's notes in tips and tricks. Tips 'n tricks cleared up a lot. That series is extremely well written and loaded with everything you seem to need. The overloading of the DVD was a result of Architects "auto" function. I learned more reading the tips and tricks than by looking at sony's feeble manual. Thanks Edward and all.

February 21st, 2004, 03:57 AM	#8
Gints Klimanis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 2,222	Bryan, My biggest DVD did not exceed the DVD limits Edward just posted. Hmmm. I'm wondering about "overburn". CDs originally held 650 MB, yet since then, I've been able to burn 700 and 800 MB CDs. Although CD reader compatibility is not assured on other drives, I have no trouble reading from the outer limits of these disk on the drive that created them.

February 21st, 2004, 06:33 AM	#9
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	It could still be of questionable length. I would stick with the smaller size and work on getting a good burn from there. Also, did you stick a label on the DVD? Plus, different players have different levels of compatibility. So, it could really be a combination of things. p.s. Recordable DVDs ARE limited to 4.37 gig - I don't know how you would be able to write an extra 110 Meg.

February 23rd, 2004, 08:18 PM	#11
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	But the computer reporting the size of the file SHOULD be 1024 - limiting it to 4.37. Personally, either way I think it's dangerous to fill up a DVD 100%.

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