Ok Vegas 5 is out- what about the upgrade for existing Vegas users?!

Peter Koller · April 19th, 2004, 03:37 PM

Will,

is it okay to switch to Vegas 5 in the middle of a Vegas 4 project or could it be trouble loading the thing in V5?

I am a little superstitous (hell, how do you spell that word??)about that.. :))

Cheers, Peter

Will Fastie · April 19th, 2004, 04:01 PM

You need one more i - superstitious.

I did quickly load two v4 projects. They appeared to be okay, but my work in Vegas is not terribly complicated yet. Others with more experience may be better equipped to answer the question.

One thing I did notice is that Vegas 5 does not read Vegas 4 preferences, so it appears I have to set everything up again.

Barry Rivadue · April 19th, 2004, 06:08 PM

I'm a registered 4.0 user but didn't get any promotional e-mail discount for 5.0; is the $50-off promotion limited to those who bought 4.0 very recently? I don't want to upgrade yet unless I know for sure an e-mail coupon is on the way--or not.

Peter Koller · April 19th, 2004, 06:11 PM

I purchased Vegas 4 a little earlier than a year ago.

@Will

thanks, I guess I'll better wait a little before I mess with my project.

Cheers, Peter

Stephen van Vuuren · April 19th, 2004, 06:25 PM

Barry:

You can always call to get the discount. I bought version 4 in Jan 2003 and got the coupon.

Barry Rivadue · April 19th, 2004, 07:10 PM

Thanks!

Josh Bass · April 20th, 2004, 12:41 AM

Is there a quick summary of the new features? All I found on that link provided is a 63 page in depth look at them. . .just a simple list is all I want.

Peter Koller · April 20th, 2004, 02:01 AM

Yes, just click on on the video/audio etx. features links here:

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...0&keycode=6373

Cheers, Peter

Josh Bass · April 20th, 2004, 02:22 AM

Thanks. . .it looks like they STILL didn't add my Avid/FCP -style scrub tool, and I didn't see anything about fixing that bin management bug from version 4, related to Windows XP, or anything about. . .um. . .I don't know the term for it. . .honest to God EDLs, so you can export and do offline and online edits and all that. . .

And why's it still called Vegas? Everyone who's an industry pro that I talk to laughs when I tell them the name of my NLE, before, of course, they say dismissively "hmm, never heard of it."

Will Fastie · April 20th, 2004, 05:51 AM

Josh, it's time to turn the tables. Perhaps the John McEnroe approach would be best. When they laugh, simply raise your voice and yell "You can't be serious!"

After all, it's their problem that they've never heard of Vegas, not yours for using it.

I think the name should stick. Keeping in mind that we're dealing with Sony, consider that the Sonic Foundry name "Video Factory" was changed to the Sony name "Screenblast Movie Studio." With this sort of naming brilliance, good products can be ruined.

Edward Troxel · April 20th, 2004, 07:55 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Josh Bass : Thanks. . .it looks like they STILL didn't add my Avid/FCP -style scrub tool, and I didn't see anything about fixing that bin management bug from version 4, related to Windows XP, or anything about. . .um. . .I don't know the term for it. . .honest to God EDLs, so you can export and do offline and online edits and all that. . . -->>>

You can now grab the cursor and scrub the timeline without creating a selection area. Not sure if that's exactly the "Avid/FCP - style scrub tool" but it IS a new option inVegas.

Not exactly sure what you mean about the "bin management bug" but there ARE new features such as the ability to create sub-clips.

EDL support is still limited. Hopefully more will be supported via scripting.

Josh Bass · April 20th, 2004, 08:37 AM

There's another thread, I believe I started it, where a bug is discussed, possibly unique to Win XP, where when you put stuff in bins, it doesn't stay there! You can carefully organize your bins by scene, or date, or whatever, and then, when you come back the next day, they're all screwed up, with the same stuff in every bin, or everything moved around.

Glen Elliott · April 20th, 2004, 09:02 AM

Reply to Josh and Will:

Am I the only one who 1. Doesn't give a squat about what it's named....and 2. Could care less whether people in the "industry" haven't heard of Vegas.

The people who care more about what an NLE is called or it's recognition by the industry surely have missed the point. What the program can do- and how well the program can allow you to work creatively without bounds is what's important. Vegas has done a better job of this than any NLE...even IF it was called Sony Super Screen-Blast Mega Suite, means no difference to me.

Will Fastie · April 20th, 2004, 09:30 AM

Glen, you are right, the name means nothing to me or to anyone who is already using the product.

However, the name means a lot when it comes to marketing and expanding the user base of this or any product. My point about Video Factory was that it was a name with some brand recognition and it was changed to a rather bland, generic name - Movie Studio. Those are potential Vegas users because the UI is almost identical. Where is the marketing tie-in between the pro version that you and I use and the junior version that the mass market might use? If there was going to be a name change anyway, wouldn't a tie-in have helped?

The extent to which Vegas commands market share is the extent to which after-market products and support will be available. Anything that expands the after-market is good for all of us who use Vegas.

In that context, recognized names are important. Whether one happens to like the name or not, I for one would be very wary of changing it.

Josh Bass · April 20th, 2004, 12:18 PM

Well, I guess this is my take on it, then, and I'd appreciate non-aggressive responses--I'm simply stating facts here. I've been trying to get full-time work in "the industry" for a while now, and some of the positions I've applied for also want someone with editing experience. Now, I HAVE worked with FCP and Avid before, so I can say I'm "familiar" with them, and it's not totally a lie. But I've been with Vegas for about two years. However, no one to whom I apply for a position knows about Vegas or cares, they want to hear that I know Premiere, Media 100, Avid, FCP, something like that. . .that's where I'm coming from. When I mention this "Vegas" business, I think they take that to mean that I have no "real" non-linear editing experience. . .I guess they think it's like one of the consumer editors, like imovie or something. All I'm saying is, to me, the name doesn't really sell the product as hyper-pro; it sounds very consumer-y.

Anyway, that's all. Sorry to disrupt the thread. Continue onward.

April 19th, 2004, 03:37 PM	#16
Peter Koller Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brunn am Gebirge, Austria Posts: 161	Will, is it okay to switch to Vegas 5 in the middle of a Vegas 4 project or could it be trouble loading the thing in V5? I am a little superstitous (hell, how do you spell that word??)about that.. :)) Cheers, Peter __________________ Peter Koller Vienna, Austria http://www.kop11.com

April 19th, 2004, 06:11 PM	#19
Peter Koller Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brunn am Gebirge, Austria Posts: 161	I purchased Vegas 4 a little earlier than a year ago. @Will thanks, I guess I'll better wait a little before I mess with my project. Cheers, Peter __________________ Peter Koller Vienna, Austria http://www.kop11.com

April 19th, 2004, 06:25 PM	#20
Stephen van Vuuren Space Hipster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,508	Barry: You can always call to get the discount. I bought version 4 in Jan 2003 and got the coupon. __________________ stephen v2 www.insaturnsrings.com

April 20th, 2004, 12:41 AM	#22
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Is there a quick summary of the new features? All I found on that link provided is a 63 page in depth look at them. . .just a simple list is all I want. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 20th, 2004, 02:01 AM	#23
Peter Koller Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Brunn am Gebirge, Austria Posts: 161	Yes, just click on on the video/audio etx. features links here: http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.co...0&keycode=6373 Cheers, Peter __________________ Peter Koller Vienna, Austria http://www.kop11.com

April 19th, 2004, 04:01 PM	#17
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	You need one more i - superstitious. I did quickly load two v4 projects. They appeared to be okay, but my work in Vegas is not terribly complicated yet. Others with more experience may be better equipped to answer the question. One thing I did notice is that Vegas 5 does not read Vegas 4 preferences, so it appears I have to set everything up again.

April 19th, 2004, 06:08 PM	#18
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	I'm a registered 4.0 user but didn't get any promotional e-mail discount for 5.0; is the $50-off promotion limited to those who bought 4.0 very recently? I don't want to upgrade yet unless I know for sure an e-mail coupon is on the way--or not.

April 19th, 2004, 07:10 PM	#21
Barry Rivadue Major Player Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 508	Thanks!

April 20th, 2004, 02:22 AM	#24
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Thanks. . .it looks like they STILL didn't add my Avid/FCP -style scrub tool, and I didn't see anything about fixing that bin management bug from version 4, related to Windows XP, or anything about. . .um. . .I don't know the term for it. . .honest to God EDLs, so you can export and do offline and online edits and all that. . . And why's it still called Vegas? Everyone who's an industry pro that I talk to laughs when I tell them the name of my NLE, before, of course, they say dismissively "hmm, never heard of it." __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 20th, 2004, 05:51 AM	#25
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	Josh, it's time to turn the tables. Perhaps the John McEnroe approach would be best. When they laugh, simply raise your voice and yell "You can't be serious!" After all, it's their problem that they've never heard of Vegas, not yours for using it. I think the name should stick. Keeping in mind that we're dealing with Sony, consider that the Sonic Foundry name "Video Factory" was changed to the Sony name "Screenblast Movie Studio." With this sort of naming brilliance, good products can be ruined.

April 20th, 2004, 07:55 AM	#26
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	<<<-- Originally posted by Josh Bass : Thanks. . .it looks like they STILL didn't add my Avid/FCP -style scrub tool, and I didn't see anything about fixing that bin management bug from version 4, related to Windows XP, or anything about. . .um. . .I don't know the term for it. . .honest to God EDLs, so you can export and do offline and online edits and all that. . . -->>> You can now grab the cursor and scrub the timeline without creating a selection area. Not sure if that's exactly the "Avid/FCP - style scrub tool" but it IS a new option inVegas. Not exactly sure what you mean about the "bin management bug" but there ARE new features such as the ability to create sub-clips. EDL support is still limited. Hopefully more will be supported via scripting.

April 20th, 2004, 08:37 AM	#27
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	There's another thread, I believe I started it, where a bug is discussed, possibly unique to Win XP, where when you put stuff in bins, it doesn't stay there! You can carefully organize your bins by scene, or date, or whatever, and then, when you come back the next day, they're all screwed up, with the same stuff in every bin, or everything moved around. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 20th, 2004, 09:02 AM	#28
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Reply to Josh and Will: Am I the only one who 1. Doesn't give a squat about what it's named....and 2. Could care less whether people in the "industry" haven't heard of Vegas. The people who care more about what an NLE is called or it's recognition by the industry surely have missed the point. What the program can do- and how well the program can allow you to work creatively without bounds is what's important. Vegas has done a better job of this than any NLE...even IF it was called Sony Super Screen-Blast Mega Suite, means no difference to me.

April 20th, 2004, 09:30 AM	#29
Will Fastie Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Jarrettsville, MD Posts: 353	Glen, you are right, the name means nothing to me or to anyone who is already using the product. However, the name means a lot when it comes to marketing and expanding the user base of this or any product. My point about Video Factory was that it was a name with some brand recognition and it was changed to a rather bland, generic name - Movie Studio. Those are potential Vegas users because the UI is almost identical. Where is the marketing tie-in between the pro version that you and I use and the junior version that the mass market might use? If there was going to be a name change anyway, wouldn't a tie-in have helped? The extent to which Vegas commands market share is the extent to which after-market products and support will be available. Anything that expands the after-market is good for all of us who use Vegas. In that context, recognized names are important. Whether one happens to like the name or not, I for one would be very wary of changing it.

April 20th, 2004, 12:18 PM	#30
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Well, I guess this is my take on it, then, and I'd appreciate non-aggressive responses--I'm simply stating facts here. I've been trying to get full-time work in "the industry" for a while now, and some of the positions I've applied for also want someone with editing experience. Now, I HAVE worked with FCP and Avid before, so I can say I'm "familiar" with them, and it's not totally a lie. But I've been with Vegas for about two years. However, no one to whom I apply for a position knows about Vegas or cares, they want to hear that I know Premiere, Media 100, Avid, FCP, something like that. . .that's where I'm coming from. When I mention this "Vegas" business, I think they take that to mean that I have no "real" non-linear editing experience. . .I guess they think it's like one of the consumer editors, like imovie or something. All I'm saying is, to me, the name doesn't really sell the product as hyper-pro; it sounds very consumer-y. Anyway, that's all. Sorry to disrupt the thread. Continue onward. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB