Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Jan van den Hemel · March 14th, 2005, 06:41 AM

Yep, the export settings were still set to interlaced. It looks great now.

Thanks!

Peter Moore · March 14th, 2005, 08:01 AM

Do I need anything special or will Vegas recognize the camera and start importing the MPEG TS on its own? Thanks a lot.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · March 14th, 2005, 08:15 AM

Nope, Vegas currently cannot capture m2t streams. You'll need either DVHS, which is available all over the web (the VASST site has a link to an English version), or you can get Cineform Connect HD, which will capture the m2t stream and convert it to an .avi for best editing experience in Vegas.

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 08:47 AM

I know there are a couple of keyboards available with Vegas keys. I don't have any links handy but seem to remember that some were stick-on keycodes where others were actually imprinted. I've never used one of the Vegas keyboards (which are really just regular keyboards with differently labeled keys).

I also remember that one of the keyboards had the "ALT" and "Windows" keys reversed for some reason. Many people were complaining about that.

Charley Gallagher · March 14th, 2005, 11:55 AM

I am running 1 1/2 GIG of RAM and frequently when I go to RAM Render the process starts and stops a split second later. It fails to render the entire selection.

I notice this when the demand on the rendering process is greater however I would not suspect that at these times I would be using more than the allotment of RAM I have apportioned to Vegas, which is the Max.

Can anyone tell me why this happens and if there is a cure?

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 12:56 PM

Grazie discovered this problem and we found a solution:

Either CLOSE the Pan/Crop dialog you have open OR turn OFF Sync Cursor. (May have been Track Motion but I'm thinking it was Pan/Crop)

Charley Gallagher · March 14th, 2005, 01:07 PM

Thanks, Ed, I will give that a try.

Glen Elliott · March 14th, 2005, 02:28 PM

Btw, Charley did I ever tell you Edward's the man?

Edward- Charley is my wedding videography assistant and Vegas convert...(thanks to me) mu hahahha!

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 03:14 PM

I'll have to remember that!

Barry Green · March 14th, 2005, 03:36 PM

Once you get the transport streams captured, you can then drop them right on the Vegas timeline. You may need to rename the files from *.ts to *.mpg, or when trying to import files, in the file selector box you may have to tell it to look for files named *.ts in order for them to show up.

As Douglas said, you need to use something like DVHS or Cineform to actually capture the footage from the camera, as that's the part that Vegas doesn't support yet. As for editing, Vegas can do that itself, or you can use Cineform to transcode the footage into a more-responsive edit-ready format.

Also, be sure to update to Vegas 5.0d, which includes updates that let you render out HDV-compatible transport streams. Then you can use Cineform to output those files back to tape for viewing on your HDTV.

Kevin Kwak · March 14th, 2005, 06:04 PM

My first attempt in creating a playable music cd failed. The music plays but all the songs are in one track, so I can not skip tracks. :/ And before waisting a 2nd cd-r...

1) Once you put all the tracks in the timeline, is it Track-At-Once or Disc-At-Once?
2) And is there anything else you need to do in the timeline besides placing all the media in the timeline and Tools->Burn CD?

Thank you.

Edward Troxel · March 14th, 2005, 09:47 PM

Use "N" to create CD Tracks.

I always burn "Disc at once"

From the help file (to help speed up the CD track creation process)

Quote:

From the Tools menu, choose Lay Out Audio CD from Events to automatically create a CD layout for a disc-at-once audio CD. The CD layout bar is displayed and track regions are added.

Nick Kerpchar · March 14th, 2005, 09:59 PM

Kevin,
Yes, there is more to do before you burn the CD.

Once you have all your audio tracks you need to double click each audio event/track event at its beginning and press N. A flag will come up above the event that will say, "Track 1", or "Track 2", etc. That will let you do the skipping around to different tracks once the CD is burned.

I think there is an automatic feature in Vegas 5 that will put the index points in for you. I'm a little foggy on this but I think it is,
TOOL > LAY OUT AUDIO CD FROM EVENTS. There is a catch though and this is why I don't use this feature. If you have events that overlap then Vegas won't put the marker in, that happened to me so I just do the "N" thing myself and that has worked without any problem.

I also mark the In point and the Out point of whatever I am going to burn but this may not be necesary.

Finally, I use the Disc-at Once burn and that has worked fine for me. Oh yes, with the Disc-at-Once you need to have exactly 2 seconds of dead space or silence at the beginning of the first track or you will get an error message.

Other than that, burning a CD is pretty straight forward. I have compiled quite a few CDs now of interviews and some music using Vegas 5 and they have all worked without any problem.

Hope this helps. Nick

P.S. Edward beat me to it while I was trying to think the process through. You can't get any better advice than what Edward suggests.

Mark Kubat · March 14th, 2005, 11:03 PM

http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=261416

PC Folks, the above tutorial is quite helpful in helping to realize a fast way to get your captured m2t's into the NLE timeline and apply effects, etc...

What's really crazy is you can combine this method with the frameserving out to Nero recode (see DSE's post re: frameserving - older topic) AT THE SAME TIME and save a whole whack of disk space... it seems to be faster, too...

I've been happy to edit m2t's natively in womble mpeg video wizard... it performs great on my sub-par HDV editing station...

Now I can frameserve full resolution m2t into Vegas or Premiere and quickly apply specialized effects like filters or color correction (ie. Magic Bullet Editors/Looks Suite), etc.

**Some important notes if you try the link above and follow the formula**

- re: dmgdec or whatever it's callled: read the "readme" re: transport streams after install - there's important notes there... use the "raw" detection method described...

- demux your audio rather than decode to wav in menu: only way to get mpa audio track for use in NLE extracted from m2t... wav doesn't seem to work...

This may be a good way to get your m2t's into After Effects...

Well, I just wanted to share something new - it works!

Enjoy, good luck...

Sam Sharpe · March 15th, 2005, 02:23 PM

Hello Troy,
Ive got exactly the same issue with my PD1, every editing / video app ive tried sees the footage as half the speed and half the length on the timeline. The only one that doesn't is the cheap piece of **** by KDDI Labs which comes with the camera, the only file you can output from this is an mpeg file, which also is at much lower bitrate with no options over compression quality or bitrate changing.

does anyone know whats up with the video files from this camera? Seems to me like its a 50fps file which is a 25fps video stream with each frame duplicated twice, but then you would assume you just need to delete the duplicate frames in your editing app or play it back at 200% to get rid of the unwanted frames, but you do this and the video stops halfway and plays back at 12.5 fps.

Anyone know of a way to get the HI-RES footage off the camera at 25fps and convert it to an avi/quicktime file?

March 14th, 2005, 06:41 AM	#916
Jan van den Hemel Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: PAL land Posts: 87	Yep, the export settings were still set to interlaced. It looks great now. Thanks! __________________ J.

March 14th, 2005, 08:01 AM	#917
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	How to import footage into Vegas Do I need anything special or will Vegas recognize the camera and start importing the MPEG TS on its own? Thanks a lot.

March 14th, 2005, 08:15 AM	#918
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Nope, Vegas currently cannot capture m2t streams. You'll need either DVHS, which is available all over the web (the VASST site has a link to an English version), or you can get Cineform Connect HD, which will capture the m2t stream and convert it to an .avi for best editing experience in Vegas. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

March 14th, 2005, 08:47 AM	#919
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I know there are a couple of keyboards available with Vegas keys. I don't have any links handy but seem to remember that some were stick-on keycodes where others were actually imprinted. I've never used one of the Vegas keyboards (which are really just regular keyboards with differently labeled keys). I also remember that one of the keyboards had the "ALT" and "Windows" keys reversed for some reason. Many people were complaining about that. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 14th, 2005, 11:55 AM	#920
Charley Gallagher Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Collingswood, NJ Posts: 99	Shift - B doesn't always work I am running 1 1/2 GIG of RAM and frequently when I go to RAM Render the process starts and stops a split second later. It fails to render the entire selection. I notice this when the demand on the rendering process is greater however I would not suspect that at these times I would be using more than the allotment of RAM I have apportioned to Vegas, which is the Max. Can anyone tell me why this happens and if there is a cure?

March 14th, 2005, 12:56 PM	#921
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Grazie discovered this problem and we found a solution: Either CLOSE the Pan/Crop dialog you have open OR turn OFF Sync Cursor. (May have been Track Motion but I'm thinking it was Pan/Crop) __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 14th, 2005, 01:07 PM	#922
Charley Gallagher Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Collingswood, NJ Posts: 99	Thanks, Ed, I will give that a try.

March 14th, 2005, 02:28 PM	#923
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Btw, Charley did I ever tell you Edward's the man? Edward- Charley is my wedding videography assistant and Vegas convert...(thanks to me) mu hahahha!

March 14th, 2005, 03:14 PM	#924
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I'll have to remember that! __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

March 14th, 2005, 03:36 PM	#925
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	Once you get the transport streams captured, you can then drop them right on the Vegas timeline. You may need to rename the files from .ts to .mpg, or when trying to import files, in the file selector box you may have to tell it to look for files named *.ts in order for them to show up. As Douglas said, you need to use something like DVHS or Cineform to actually capture the footage from the camera, as that's the part that Vegas doesn't support yet. As for editing, Vegas can do that itself, or you can use Cineform to transcode the footage into a more-responsive edit-ready format. Also, be sure to update to Vegas 5.0d, which includes updates that let you render out HDV-compatible transport streams. Then you can use Cineform to output those files back to tape for viewing on your HDTV.

March 14th, 2005, 06:04 PM	#926
Kevin Kwak Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 91	Creating a music CD with tracks My first attempt in creating a playable music cd failed. The music plays but all the songs are in one track, so I can not skip tracks. :/ And before waisting a 2nd cd-r... 1) Once you put all the tracks in the timeline, is it Track-At-Once or Disc-At-Once? 2) And is there anything else you need to do in the timeline besides placing all the media in the timeline and Tools->Burn CD? Thank you.

March 14th, 2005, 09:59 PM	#928
Nick Kerpchar Major Player Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 211	Kevin, Yes, there is more to do before you burn the CD. Once you have all your audio tracks you need to double click each audio event/track event at its beginning and press N. A flag will come up above the event that will say, "Track 1", or "Track 2", etc. That will let you do the skipping around to different tracks once the CD is burned. I think there is an automatic feature in Vegas 5 that will put the index points in for you. I'm a little foggy on this but I think it is, TOOL > LAY OUT AUDIO CD FROM EVENTS. There is a catch though and this is why I don't use this feature. If you have events that overlap then Vegas won't put the marker in, that happened to me so I just do the "N" thing myself and that has worked without any problem. I also mark the In point and the Out point of whatever I am going to burn but this may not be necesary. Finally, I use the Disc-at Once burn and that has worked fine for me. Oh yes, with the Disc-at-Once you need to have exactly 2 seconds of dead space or silence at the beginning of the first track or you will get an error message. Other than that, burning a CD is pretty straight forward. I have compiled quite a few CDs now of interviews and some music using Vegas 5 and they have all worked without any problem. Hope this helps. Nick P.S. Edward beat me to it while I was trying to think the process through. You can't get any better advice than what Edward suggests.

March 14th, 2005, 11:03 PM	#929
Mark Kubat Major Player Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 375	Frameserving HDV into Vegas or Premiere Pro as an "avi"... http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=261416 PC Folks, the above tutorial is quite helpful in helping to realize a fast way to get your captured m2t's into the NLE timeline and apply effects, etc... What's really crazy is you can combine this method with the frameserving out to Nero recode (see DSE's post re: frameserving - older topic) AT THE SAME TIME and save a whole whack of disk space... it seems to be faster, too... I've been happy to edit m2t's natively in womble mpeg video wizard... it performs great on my sub-par HDV editing station... Now I can frameserve full resolution m2t into Vegas or Premiere and quickly apply specialized effects like filters or color correction (ie. Magic Bullet Editors/Looks Suite), etc. Some important notes if you try the link above and follow the formula - re: dmgdec or whatever it's callled: read the "readme" re: transport streams after install - there's important notes there... use the "raw" detection method described... - demux your audio rather than decode to wav in menu: only way to get mpa audio track for use in NLE extracted from m2t... wav doesn't seem to work... This may be a good way to get your m2t's into After Effects... Well, I just wanted to share something new - it works! Enjoy, good luck...

March 15th, 2005, 02:23 PM	#930
Sam Sharpe Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London Posts: 31	Same problem, any news from Cineform on support? Hello Troy, Ive got exactly the same issue with my PD1, every editing / video app ive tried sees the footage as half the speed and half the length on the timeline. The only one that doesn't is the cheap piece of **** by KDDI Labs which comes with the camera, the only file you can output from this is an mpeg file, which also is at much lower bitrate with no options over compression quality or bitrate changing. does anyone know whats up with the video files from this camera? Seems to me like its a 50fps file which is a 25fps video stream with each frame duplicated twice, but then you would assume you just need to delete the duplicate frames in your editing app or play it back at 200% to get rid of the unwanted frames, but you do this and the video stops halfway and plays back at 12.5 fps. Anyone know of a way to get the HI-RES footage off the camera at 25fps and convert it to an avi/quicktime file?