Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q1Q2)

Steve Roffler · April 7th, 2005, 12:40 AM

I'm not sure if I understand what's wrong but Windows Media Player does not like AVI files.

For playback on media player, render as a WMV file. For DVD, you eventually want to generate a MPEG-2 file. Vegas has options to encode all these formats.

Josh Bass · April 7th, 2005, 01:00 AM

Well, when I build the DVDs, I just link the titles to the AVI files, and Roxio does the MPEG rendering. The results so far have been fine quality-wise, except for this issue.

Sorry if I didn't explain well enough.

When I burn the DVDs, Roxio is, for some reason, not recognizing that the files are longer than 4:42. When you play the movie from the DVD, at 4:42 it just ends.

So you guys think I should render the MPEG-2s first?

Peter Moore · April 7th, 2005, 10:27 AM

FYI, QuickTime seems to be working well. A little slower than CFHD, but fine otherwise.

I thought CFHD was supposed to be so good. But even after using HDLink to convert the M2Ts, I notice a distict quality difference between that and the original M2T and between CFHD versus QuickTime MJPEG-A. QT is so much better and the same file size. Again, I ask, am I doing something wrong or does CFHD just suck with multi-generational compressing?

Danny Santos · April 7th, 2005, 02:19 PM

Thanks Dennis, I will check it out.

Emre Safak · April 7th, 2005, 02:40 PM

If you have DVD Architect, you should probably render them first because the Mainconcept codec in Vegas is supposed to be one of the better ones. I do not know what Roxio uses...

Patrick Masters · April 7th, 2005, 02:55 PM

IMHO, Cineform just sucks. I render my stuff out to Sony YUV and I dont see any quality loss as you do with Cineform. Maybe a tad bit bigger but quality is what you want to keep. I am assuming NAB will answer our problems.

Edward Troxel · April 7th, 2005, 02:56 PM

Josh, it sounds like the other programs are limited to 1 Gig. 4:42 is the length of time for 1 Gig.

The AVI files I make in Vegas play back just fine for the entire length. Perhaps you're not using the built-in Sony codec? I don't know what settings you've changed. You can revert Vegas back to default by holding down CTRL-SHIFT while you start Vegas.

Also, why are you using Roxio to encode to MPEG2? The MPEG2 encoder in Vegas is better. Just encode in Vegas. Also, you will get better results building the DVD in DVD Architect than Roxio. Do you have DVD Architect?

Josh Bass · April 7th, 2005, 03:56 PM

Don't own any version of DVD architect.

I gotta tell you, except for this issue, the DVDs coming out of Roxio have been flawless. Great picture quality, etc.

As I said, I'm using the NTSC DV codec when I create these AVIs. If there's a better one, let me know.

I'm loathe to reset everything to default 'cause I'll lose all my custom stuff, but I'll try it.

If I encode the MPEG-2s in Vegas, what settings do you guys recommend? Roxio does it all for me, so I have no idea what it's doing. I just know it looks, for all intents and purposes, on all the TVs I've watched on, like it's not compressed it all, (though I know it is). Looks real good.

Tony Rockliff · April 7th, 2005, 04:23 PM

Sorry if this is a dumb question but I can't seem to find the answer.

I can insert time but I can't find where I can delete time (in a section where there are no events on the timeline) - like where I want to move the whole movie closer to 00:00:00:00 without having my chapter markers change their relative positions. Delete with ripple only seems to work with events.

Also, when I insert time, the chapter markers do lose their positions - is there any way to lock markers to timeline events? And to move events with their markers?

Thanks,

Tony

Jay Mitchell · April 7th, 2005, 04:42 PM

All SONY Vegas and DVD Achitect software users are welcome to view the streaming videos of the major new releases of Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 from NAB.

The streams will contain four full length 45 minutes each SONY classroom seminar sessions that will cover all of the new features and upgrades of Vegas 6 and DVDA 3.

The Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 streams are being produced by the SCVUG at SONY's request and will be available to view on Tuesday April 19th.

Click Here to Register to see the Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 streams

Glenn Chan · April 7th, 2005, 05:04 PM

Double click in the gap between events. Hit del on your keyboard.

If you have auto-ripple turned on, it will do one of three ripples. I suggest turning auto-ripple off.

With auto-ripple off, a arrow will show up on the top of the timeline. Hit Crtl Shift F to ripple EVERYTHING: Events and markers on all tracks.

There's no way to lock markers to timeline events unless the markers are in the clips. You can however maintain sync by using the right ripple.

Tony Rockliff · April 7th, 2005, 05:17 PM

Thanks very much Glenn, that did it :)

I also found that I could move the markers in a group if I pressed CTRL or SHIFT so that helps too.

Edward Troxel · April 7th, 2005, 06:36 PM

I have the settings I use in Vol 1 #7 of my newsletter.

Peter Moore · April 7th, 2005, 07:17 PM

Thanks Patrick for the only reply. :) I like Sony YUV too but the file size is just too huge. QT MJPEG-A has no perceptible loss in quality after one generation. I'll try other generations but I think this is the way to go.

Dennis Vogel · April 7th, 2005, 08:12 PM

Jay, it's great that you folks are doing this. How long will the streams be up?

Good luck.

Dennis

April 7th, 2005, 12:40 AM	#1141
Steve Roffler Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 100	I'm not sure if I understand what's wrong but Windows Media Player does not like AVI files. For playback on media player, render as a WMV file. For DVD, you eventually want to generate a MPEG-2 file. Vegas has options to encode all these formats. __________________ Steve pdx10, EOS10D

April 7th, 2005, 01:00 AM	#1142
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Well, when I build the DVDs, I just link the titles to the AVI files, and Roxio does the MPEG rendering. The results so far have been fine quality-wise, except for this issue. Sorry if I didn't explain well enough. When I burn the DVDs, Roxio is, for some reason, not recognizing that the files are longer than 4:42. When you play the movie from the DVD, at 4:42 it just ends. So you guys think I should render the MPEG-2s first? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 7th, 2005, 02:56 PM	#1147
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Josh, it sounds like the other programs are limited to 1 Gig. 4:42 is the length of time for 1 Gig. The AVI files I make in Vegas play back just fine for the entire length. Perhaps you're not using the built-in Sony codec? I don't know what settings you've changed. You can revert Vegas back to default by holding down CTRL-SHIFT while you start Vegas. Also, why are you using Roxio to encode to MPEG2? The MPEG2 encoder in Vegas is better. Just encode in Vegas. Also, you will get better results building the DVD in DVD Architect than Roxio. Do you have DVD Architect? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 7th, 2005, 03:56 PM	#1148
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Don't own any version of DVD architect. I gotta tell you, except for this issue, the DVDs coming out of Roxio have been flawless. Great picture quality, etc. As I said, I'm using the NTSC DV codec when I create these AVIs. If there's a better one, let me know. I'm loathe to reset everything to default 'cause I'll lose all my custom stuff, but I'll try it. If I encode the MPEG-2s in Vegas, what settings do you guys recommend? Roxio does it all for me, so I have no idea what it's doing. I just know it looks, for all intents and purposes, on all the TVs I've watched on, like it's not compressed it all, (though I know it is). Looks real good. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

April 7th, 2005, 04:23 PM	#1149
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	Deleting time and inserting with markers? Sorry if this is a dumb question but I can't seem to find the answer. I can insert time but I can't find where I can delete time (in a section where there are no events on the timeline) - like where I want to move the whole movie closer to 00:00:00:00 without having my chapter markers change their relative positions. Delete with ripple only seems to work with events. Also, when I insert time, the chapter markers do lose their positions - is there any way to lock markers to timeline events? And to move events with their markers? Thanks, Tony

April 7th, 2005, 10:27 AM	#1143
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	FYI, QuickTime seems to be working well. A little slower than CFHD, but fine otherwise. I thought CFHD was supposed to be so good. But even after using HDLink to convert the M2Ts, I notice a distict quality difference between that and the original M2T and between CFHD versus QuickTime MJPEG-A. QT is so much better and the same file size. Again, I ask, am I doing something wrong or does CFHD just suck with multi-generational compressing?

April 7th, 2005, 02:19 PM	#1144
Danny Santos Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Antioch, CA USA Posts: 49	Thanks Dennis, I will check it out.

April 7th, 2005, 02:40 PM	#1145
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	If you have DVD Architect, you should probably render them first because the Mainconcept codec in Vegas is supposed to be one of the better ones. I do not know what Roxio uses...

April 7th, 2005, 02:55 PM	#1146
Patrick Masters Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida USA Posts: 34	IMHO, Cineform just sucks. I render my stuff out to Sony YUV and I dont see any quality loss as you do with Cineform. Maybe a tad bit bigger but quality is what you want to keep. I am assuming NAB will answer our problems.

April 7th, 2005, 04:42 PM	#1150
Jay Mitchell Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 40	Vegas 6 And DVDA 3 - NAB Streams Update All SONY Vegas and DVD Achitect software users are welcome to view the streaming videos of the major new releases of Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 from NAB. The streams will contain four full length 45 minutes each SONY classroom seminar sessions that will cover all of the new features and upgrades of Vegas 6 and DVDA 3. The Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 streams are being produced by the SCVUG at SONY's request and will be available to view on Tuesday April 19th. Click Here to Register to see the Vegas 6 and DVDA 3 streams

April 7th, 2005, 05:04 PM	#1151
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Double click in the gap between events. Hit del on your keyboard. If you have auto-ripple turned on, it will do one of three ripples. I suggest turning auto-ripple off. With auto-ripple off, a arrow will show up on the top of the timeline. Hit Crtl Shift F to ripple EVERYTHING: Events and markers on all tracks. There's no way to lock markers to timeline events unless the markers are in the clips. You can however maintain sync by using the right ripple.

April 7th, 2005, 05:17 PM	#1152
Tony Rockliff Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dunedin, Florida Posts: 70	Thanks very much Glenn, that did it :) I also found that I could move the markers in a group if I pressed CTRL or SHIFT so that helps too.

April 7th, 2005, 06:36 PM	#1153
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I have the settings I use in Vol 1 #7 of my newsletter. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

April 7th, 2005, 07:17 PM	#1154
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Thanks Patrick for the only reply. :) I like Sony YUV too but the file size is just too huge. QT MJPEG-A has no perceptible loss in quality after one generation. I'll try other generations but I think this is the way to go.

April 7th, 2005, 08:12 PM	#1155
Dennis Vogel Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 409	Jay, it's great that you folks are doing this. How long will the streams be up? Good luck. Dennis