Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q3Q4)

Philippe Gosselin · August 26th, 2005, 03:39 PM

Hi all,

Don't know if it is OT but named it that way just to be sure.

Well I have an event in which I bezier out a gentleman , further on on the timeline he will move to the left of the screen and disappear. I want to use Pixelan for the dissolve but I only want it to affect the bezier section.

Any way to get it around so it behaves so?

Thanks

Phil

Matt McConnell · August 26th, 2005, 05:43 PM

Hello,

I have upgraded to a new computer recently and now Vegas and DVDA do not recognize the new DVD Writer, it is a NEC 3520A, and windows/ windows medial player recognizes it. The operating system is winxp sp2, the system is an AMD A64 3200+ on a dfi Nf4 ultra motherboard. Vegas is running fine, it just has a blank pull down box when i try to extract from CD. Same issue for DVDA when trying to burn a DVD.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Matt

Mike Kujbida · August 26th, 2005, 06:03 PM

The biggest problem is that Sony has always been painfully slow at upgrading DVDA's burner capabilities. I think you'll find that most folks (myself included) use DVDA to prepare the file but use another app (Nero, RecordNow, etc.) to do the actual burning.

Mike

Matt McConnell · August 26th, 2005, 06:21 PM

Thanks,

But I have the same recognition problem in Vegas when trying to grab music from a CD. Seems like it just doesn't recognize the hardware in either program.

DJ Kinney · August 26th, 2005, 07:07 PM

One way to fix this is to get Sony's Sound Forge. This is a really pro application that is nicely integrated with Vegas. It has every manner of filter and equalizer that you could want. It will fix your problem. The down-side is that it costs about $150 to $200, but I've found it to be worth the price, as getting really professional sounding audio is important to me.

Bill Porter · August 26th, 2005, 07:22 PM

I have searched my butt off and found partial answers here, on dvxuser.com, and in Barry Green's book/DVD, but I have some specific questions.

I'm making my movies to be watched on NTSC TV's from a DVD. I'm using Vegas 6.0, and I'm shooting 24PA most of the time.

1) By "24p timeline," do people mean I should be starting with Template set to NTSC DV 24p (720x480, 23.976 fps)? Or should I be starting in a NTSC Standard (or NTSC DV??) 720x486, 29.970 fps and changing the frame rate to 24.000 fps or perhaps 23.976 fps??

2) Do I set deinterlace method to Blend or Interpolate? (or 'None'? though that seems wrong)

3) Do I set it to deinterlace upper or lower field first - and why does it matter? (Or do I leave it at none/progressive, though that seems wrong... ?)

Thanks, hope this helps out more people than just me!

Mike Kujbida · August 26th, 2005, 08:14 PM

Sorry Matt. I missed that part in your original post.
The only time I 've seen what you're experiencing is when someone didn't have full administrator rights on the computer. Just taking a stab in the dark but could that be the case here?

Mike

Mike Kujbida · August 26th, 2005, 08:20 PM

If you have Vegas 6, it supports something called VST plug-ins. There's a free de-esser (the audio term for the problem you're having) for download at http://www.digitalfishphones.com/mai...em=2&subItem=5
called Spitfish. Hope it helps you.

Mike

Scott Johnston · August 26th, 2005, 08:29 PM

Thanks Edward,

However, I filled in everything in those spaces and it is the following
Clip:UBA High Risk Music Video
Author: UBA
Copyright: Jupiter 2005
Playlist: Playlist 1

I need somewhere to write the name of the song which is Mudvayne- Not falling but I can't find it.

Glenn Chan · August 26th, 2005, 10:28 PM

Video you put into Vegas can be:
interlaced (upper field first, AKA odd) -
interlaced (lower field first, AKA even) - i.e. DV; the lower field should be displayed before the upper field.
progressive

2- Let's say your Vegas project is set to progressive, because you want to make stuff for the web (progressive is correct for audiences viewing on computers).

Suppose you bring in footage shot on DV. Vegas will usually see that the footage is lower field first.

Vegas will want to de-interlace that DV footage so it matches the project settings. The de-interlace method is something you can set. Blend fields blends both fields together; interpolate discards one field and uses the other to make the progressive image; none makes Vegas not de-interlace the footage.

None is appropriate if you want to use Mike Crash's excellent de-interlace filter instead of Vegas' de-interlacing. Mike Crash's filter gives the most resolution.

Does that make sense?

Glenn Chan · August 26th, 2005, 10:33 PM

Dan: Not really sure if Vegas 6 installs it by default. I don't think it's worth worrying about anyways.

If anyone doesn't have it, they can google mike crash's website.

I believe the filter is donationware, so that could be a problem if Sony is adding their name onto it and not telling people that donations to mike crash would be appreciated.

2- Try cranking the filter to 30. You should see motion artifacts appear where there's motion. It's that ghosting/trailing effect.

Bill Porter · August 26th, 2005, 11:10 PM

Cool, that makes sense, thanks!

What about question 1 though? :)
about which Template and possibly frame rate to use to get smooth slow motion from 60i footage:

<<I'm making my movies to be watched on NTSC TV's from a DVD. I'm using Vegas 6.0, and I'm shooting 24PA most of the time.

1) By "24p timeline," do people mean I should be starting with Template set to NTSC DV 24p (720x480, 23.976 fps)? Or should I be starting in a NTSC Standard (or NTSC DV??) 720x486, 29.970 fps and changing the frame rate to 24.000 fps or perhaps 23.976 fps??>>

Thanks all

Edward Troxel · August 27th, 2005, 06:12 AM

Here is where you can find Mike's plugin:

http://mikecrash.wz.cz/

This plugin does NOT come standard in Vegas.

Brian Kennedy · August 27th, 2005, 08:45 AM

I use SF for audio, too, and it integrates nicely into Vegas. But doesn't Vegas have the "Multiband Dynamics" audio filter installed with it? If so, it has a good de-esser preset. Maybe this is something that was installed with SF, I'm not sure.

Dan Keaton · August 27th, 2005, 09:38 AM

Dear Glenn and Edward,

Thank you for the information.

Yes, I am using Mike Crash's plug-in. Sorry, but I just did not remember downloading Mike Crash's Dynamic Noise Reduction plug-in. After some research, I did discover that I downloaded the plug-in from Mike Crash's website.

Here are the results of my experience. I was really pressed for time and needed to remove the video noise for some of the scenes.

1. I had the entire moive on one timeline (one video and one audio track). I used the track fx to select Sony's Dynamic Noise Reduction, with a threshold value of 0. This eliminated a lot of the video noise. I rendered this to an AVI file.

2. I opened the AVI from Step 1 and applied the Dynamic Noise Reduction again (with a threshold value of 0). This second step worked wonders.

I assume that I have some side-effects from performing Steps 1 and 2, but I can find them if they exist. I do not have any visible ghosting or smearing.

I realize that it would have been better and safer to just apply the filter to the scenes that had the problem, but I did not have the time to do this on a scene by scene basis. The results were great.

We had the World Premiere of our movie, The Battle of Aiken, last night. The movie was well received, but we had a very friendly audience.

August 26th, 2005, 03:39 PM	#481
Philippe Gosselin Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal , Canada Posts: 197	OT , Pixelan with bezier event in Vegas Hi all, Don't know if it is OT but named it that way just to be sure. Well I have an event in which I bezier out a gentleman , further on on the timeline he will move to the left of the screen and disappear. I want to use Pixelan for the dissolve but I only want it to affect the bezier section. Any way to get it around so it behaves so? Thanks Phil __________________ Still lost in Vice city My website: www.production24fps.com/english.php

August 26th, 2005, 05:43 PM	#482
Matt McConnell Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Scotts Valley, CA Posts: 33	Vegas5 & DVDA2 Do not recognize my DVD Writer Hello, I have upgraded to a new computer recently and now Vegas and DVDA do not recognize the new DVD Writer, it is a NEC 3520A, and windows/ windows medial player recognizes it. The operating system is winxp sp2, the system is an AMD A64 3200+ on a dfi Nf4 ultra motherboard. Vegas is running fine, it just has a blank pull down box when i try to extract from CD. Same issue for DVDA when trying to burn a DVD. Any ideas? Thanks, Matt

August 26th, 2005, 07:22 PM	#486
Bill Porter Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ventura, California, USA Posts: 751	60i in 24p timeline for smooth slow motion - settings questions! I have searched my butt off and found partial answers here, on dvxuser.com, and in Barry Green's book/DVD, but I have some specific questions. I'm making my movies to be watched on NTSC TV's from a DVD. I'm using Vegas 6.0, and I'm shooting 24PA most of the time. 1) By "24p timeline," do people mean I should be starting with Template set to NTSC DV 24p (720x480, 23.976 fps)? Or should I be starting in a NTSC Standard (or NTSC DV??) 720x486, 29.970 fps and changing the frame rate to 24.000 fps or perhaps 23.976 fps?? 2) Do I set deinterlace method to Blend or Interpolate? (or 'None'? though that seems wrong) 3) Do I set it to deinterlace upper or lower field first - and why does it matter? (Or do I leave it at none/progressive, though that seems wrong... ?) Thanks, hope this helps out more people than just me!

August 27th, 2005, 06:12 AM	#493
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Here is where you can find Mike's plugin: http://mikecrash.wz.cz/ This plugin does NOT come standard in Vegas. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

August 27th, 2005, 08:45 AM	#494
Brian Kennedy Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington DC Posts: 126	I use SF for audio, too, and it integrates nicely into Vegas. But doesn't Vegas have the "Multiband Dynamics" audio filter installed with it? If so, it has a good de-esser preset. Maybe this is something that was installed with SF, I'm not sure. __________________ Brian Kennedy

August 26th, 2005, 06:03 PM	#483
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	The biggest problem is that Sony has always been painfully slow at upgrading DVDA's burner capabilities. I think you'll find that most folks (myself included) use DVDA to prepare the file but use another app (Nero, RecordNow, etc.) to do the actual burning. Mike

August 26th, 2005, 06:21 PM	#484
Matt McConnell Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Scotts Valley, CA Posts: 33	Thanks, But I have the same recognition problem in Vegas when trying to grab music from a CD. Seems like it just doesn't recognize the hardware in either program.

August 26th, 2005, 07:07 PM	#485
DJ Kinney Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 277	One way to fix this is to get Sony's Sound Forge. This is a really pro application that is nicely integrated with Vegas. It has every manner of filter and equalizer that you could want. It will fix your problem. The down-side is that it costs about $150 to $200, but I've found it to be worth the price, as getting really professional sounding audio is important to me.

August 26th, 2005, 08:14 PM	#487
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Sorry Matt. I missed that part in your original post. The only time I 've seen what you're experiencing is when someone didn't have full administrator rights on the computer. Just taking a stab in the dark but could that be the case here? Mike

August 26th, 2005, 08:20 PM	#488
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	If you have Vegas 6, it supports something called VST plug-ins. There's a free de-esser (the audio term for the problem you're having) for download at http://www.digitalfishphones.com/mai...em=2&subItem=5 called Spitfish. Hope it helps you. Mike

August 26th, 2005, 08:29 PM	#489
Scott Johnston Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 36	Thanks Edward, However, I filled in everything in those spaces and it is the following Clip:UBA High Risk Music Video Author: UBA Copyright: Jupiter 2005 Playlist: Playlist 1 I need somewhere to write the name of the song which is Mudvayne- Not falling but I can't find it.

August 26th, 2005, 10:28 PM	#490
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Video you put into Vegas can be: interlaced (upper field first, AKA odd) - interlaced (lower field first, AKA even) - i.e. DV; the lower field should be displayed before the upper field. progressive 2- Let's say your Vegas project is set to progressive, because you want to make stuff for the web (progressive is correct for audiences viewing on computers). Suppose you bring in footage shot on DV. Vegas will usually see that the footage is lower field first. Vegas will want to de-interlace that DV footage so it matches the project settings. The de-interlace method is something you can set. Blend fields blends both fields together; interpolate discards one field and uses the other to make the progressive image; none makes Vegas not de-interlace the footage. None is appropriate if you want to use Mike Crash's excellent de-interlace filter instead of Vegas' de-interlacing. Mike Crash's filter gives the most resolution. Does that make sense?

August 26th, 2005, 10:33 PM	#491
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	Dan: Not really sure if Vegas 6 installs it by default. I don't think it's worth worrying about anyways. If anyone doesn't have it, they can google mike crash's website. I believe the filter is donationware, so that could be a problem if Sony is adding their name onto it and not telling people that donations to mike crash would be appreciated. 2- Try cranking the filter to 30. You should see motion artifacts appear where there's motion. It's that ghosting/trailing effect.

August 26th, 2005, 11:10 PM	#492
Bill Porter Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ventura, California, USA Posts: 751	Cool, that makes sense, thanks! What about question 1 though? :) about which Template and possibly frame rate to use to get smooth slow motion from 60i footage: <<I'm making my movies to be watched on NTSC TV's from a DVD. I'm using Vegas 6.0, and I'm shooting 24PA most of the time. 1) By "24p timeline," do people mean I should be starting with Template set to NTSC DV 24p (720x480, 23.976 fps)? Or should I be starting in a NTSC Standard (or NTSC DV??) 720x486, 29.970 fps and changing the frame rate to 24.000 fps or perhaps 23.976 fps??>> Thanks all

August 27th, 2005, 09:38 AM	#495
Dan Keaton Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Augusta Georgia Posts: 5,421	Dear Glenn and Edward, Thank you for the information. Yes, I am using Mike Crash's plug-in. Sorry, but I just did not remember downloading Mike Crash's Dynamic Noise Reduction plug-in. After some research, I did discover that I downloaded the plug-in from Mike Crash's website. Here are the results of my experience. I was really pressed for time and needed to remove the video noise for some of the scenes. 1. I had the entire moive on one timeline (one video and one audio track). I used the track fx to select Sony's Dynamic Noise Reduction, with a threshold value of 0. This eliminated a lot of the video noise. I rendered this to an AVI file. 2. I opened the AVI from Step 1 and applied the Dynamic Noise Reduction again (with a threshold value of 0). This second step worked wonders. I assume that I have some side-effects from performing Steps 1 and 2, but I can find them if they exist. I do not have any visible ghosting or smearing. I realize that it would have been better and safer to just apply the filter to the scenes that had the problem, but I did not have the time to do this on a scene by scene basis. The results were great. We had the World Premiere of our movie, The Battle of Aiken, last night. The movie was well received, but we had a very friendly audience. __________________ Dan Keaton Augusta Georgia