Vegas Video discussions from 2005 (Q3Q4)

Sean Seah · October 20th, 2005, 06:15 PM

I made this photo montage thingy in a PAL widescreen setting, did the sub titles in DVDA3. It flickers a lot on my PAL TV.. is there anyway to solve this? I've not tried sub titles on the moving videos yet..anyone has such experience?

Brian Kennedy · October 20th, 2005, 08:35 PM

Make sure the text color is broadcast safe (235, 235, 235 at most). I could be wrong, but I think the default for DVDA2, at least, may be pure white (255, 255, 255). I make my subtitles a yellow color and they look a lot better. Also, you might want to try a different font to see if it works better for you.

Justine Haupt · October 20th, 2005, 10:30 PM

I was having a similar problem and thought I might add that I simply used the print-to-tape function in Windows Movie Maker and it worked flawlessly... 16:9 progressive, too.

Sean Seah · October 20th, 2005, 11:09 PM

Ok, I'll check the broadcast settings. Hope they work better! Thanks.

Glenn Chan · October 20th, 2005, 11:57 PM

It could also be the size of the text that's an issue. If parts are 1-pixel tall, that will produce interlace flicker. Antialiasing and "fanciness" (i.e. drop shadow, edge glow, etc.) and increasing size can help.

Small titles should be avoided in any case, because it can be hard to read (your display device may have lower resolution that what you see in studio). Also, small text is prone to chroma crawl (the rainbow stuff on the edges of black and white text is an example).

Douglas Spotted Eagle · October 21st, 2005, 12:03 AM

Additionally, try to avoid serif'd fonts and fine-line fonts such as script/fine lined handwriting fonts.

Jeff Toogood · October 21st, 2005, 04:56 AM

I am rendering out a small project that has a company logo splashscreen at the beginning of the segment. Their logo is a round grey circle on a white background, when I render the project to MPG2, the grey is almost completely gone and all I see is the white background of the Logo?
If I render to DV-AVI, everything is fine.
What can I do to fix this? The final project needs to be on DVD.

Thanks

Emre Safak · October 21st, 2005, 06:27 AM

Increase the bit rate?

Edward Troxel · October 21st, 2005, 07:21 AM

What does it look like if you take that rendered DV-AVI and then render THAT to MPEG2?

Fred Foronda · October 21st, 2005, 11:49 AM

Done! Its pretty cool I can upload it to the Sony's Playstation portable. That way I can show my stuffs to potential cients?!!??

Thanks!

Darius Azari · October 21st, 2005, 02:56 PM

Applacation:
Write, produce, direct, edit video based content not to exceed 3o minutes
Direct to dvd with high quality informative content.
Limited distribution – in the hundreds
DVH aspect ratio desired. (I know thereis no media, (DVD) available yet.
Professional but not broadcast quality a must.
Content, titles, nice cuts, limited CGI or motion graphics
My thoughts on a production package:
• Capture: Sony HVR-Z1
• Edit: Avid Xpress Pro HD Mojo on authorized dealer configured system (any comments on Promax as a vendor)
Questions
• I want a system that works out of the box with minimal glitches.
• Is the Avid price premium worth it versus Vegas w/ CiniForm, Premier Pro or other?
• I want a PC based platform

Douglas Spotted Eagle · October 21st, 2005, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darius Azari

Applacation:
Write, produce, direct, edit video based content not to exceed 3o minutes
Direct to dvd with high quality informative content.
Limited distribution – in the hundreds
DVH aspect ratio desired. (I know thereis no media, (DVD) available yet.
Professional but not broadcast quality a must.
Content, titles, nice cuts, limited CGI or motion graphics
My thoughts on a production package:
• Capture: Sony HVR-Z1
• Edit: Avid Xpress Pro HD Mojo on authorized dealer configured system (any comments on Promax as a vendor)
Questions
• I want a system that works out of the box with minimal glitches.
• Is the Avid price premium worth it versus Vegas w/ CiniForm, Premier Pro or other?
• I want a PC based platform

Darius, this is the wrong forum to be asking about Avid Express. Having only recently received my updated Avid software, haven't had a chance to compare it just yet. But, Vegas and HDV work very, very well together. Promax is a decent dealer, but I'll recommend the supportive vendors here first, such as B&H, Zotz, etc.

Mike Kujbida · October 21st, 2005, 04:45 PM

Thanks go to user MarcoB on the Sony forum for providing this fix.
I can verify that it works perfectly :-)
I've added a follow-up comment from him as well.

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Vegas analyses and uses the Canopus AVIs coming from Rex not correctly. For Vegas them are Upper Field First though actually them are Lower Field First.

I had the same problem several times and Sony Support helped me by telling me how to modify the "Vegas profile.ini" file which is in the Vegas program folder.
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Open the file "Vegas profiles.ini" within an editor. Search for this phrase:

"Key2=0, "None", 720, 576, 25.0, 0
Attributes2="Upper First", 1.0925925925, "Undefined", 1"

Modify this one to

"Key2=0, "None", 720, 576, 25.0, 0
Attributes2="Lower First", 1.0925925925, "Undefined", 1"

Save the file anew .

Be sure to have copied the original file with another name first to have a backup!
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Now when you reopen Vegas it will analyse and use the Canopus AVI files correctly as Lower Field First.
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Follow-up:

The modified ini-file seems to be perfect for any dv stuff because dv must be lower field first and even if Vegas is confused by certain dv files like the Canopus ones it'll be perfect - lower field first.

But if you have a video input which fits 720x576 size and 25 fps but which is NOT dv then it does also change the field order to lower field first which might be not correct then.
So if you import or capture video which is Sony YUV it actually should have upper field first but with this modified ini-field it will be read as lower field first in Vegas.

This means you probably will not have any trouble with that kind of modified ini-file when using dv video. But you must reset the ini-file if you're going to use video which actually is upper field first.
If you have a project running with mixed stuff - both upper and lower field first - the modified ini-file is no help at all.

Peter Moore · October 22nd, 2005, 11:45 AM

Update -
First of all thanks for the info. I did figure out a solution, though it's odd I had to do this.

Vegas was outputting my files at 23.976023 fps but the project settings were only doing it at 23.976 (IVTC film). I have no idea why this was happening, but when I set my project settings to 23.976023, everything was good again. Very wierd.

Plamen Petrov · October 22nd, 2005, 04:22 PM

Hello everybody!
When I want to render a video footage out in AVI, if I choose LAME MP3 for AUDIO, I get the message: "An error occured while opening a codec."
So,where is the problem? I have LameMP3.dll in my system but not in Sony Vegas directory. What to do?!?

October 20th, 2005, 06:15 PM	#931
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Flickering Sub Titles I made this photo montage thingy in a PAL widescreen setting, did the sub titles in DVDA3. It flickers a lot on my PAL TV.. is there anyway to solve this? I've not tried sub titles on the moving videos yet..anyone has such experience?

October 20th, 2005, 08:35 PM	#932
Brian Kennedy Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Washington DC Posts: 126	Make sure the text color is broadcast safe (235, 235, 235 at most). I could be wrong, but I think the default for DVDA2, at least, may be pure white (255, 255, 255). I make my subtitles a yellow color and they look a lot better. Also, you might want to try a different font to see if it works better for you. __________________ Brian Kennedy

October 20th, 2005, 10:30 PM	#933
Justine Haupt Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 208	I was having a similar problem and thought I might add that I simply used the print-to-tape function in Windows Movie Maker and it worked flawlessly... 16:9 progressive, too. __________________ ~Justine "We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams" -Arthur O'Shaunessey (as quoted by Willy Wonka)

October 21st, 2005, 12:03 AM	#936
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Additionally, try to avoid serif'd fonts and fine-line fonts such as script/fine lined handwriting fonts. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

October 21st, 2005, 04:56 AM	#937
Jeff Toogood Major Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St.Thomas, Ontario, CANADA Posts: 428	Rendering to MPG problem I am rendering out a small project that has a company logo splashscreen at the beginning of the segment. Their logo is a round grey circle on a white background, when I render the project to MPG2, the grey is almost completely gone and all I see is the white background of the Logo? If I render to DV-AVI, everything is fine. What can I do to fix this? The final project needs to be on DVD. Thanks __________________ Toogood Studios

October 20th, 2005, 11:09 PM	#934
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	Ok, I'll check the broadcast settings. Hope they work better! Thanks.

October 20th, 2005, 11:57 PM	#935
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	It could also be the size of the text that's an issue. If parts are 1-pixel tall, that will produce interlace flicker. Antialiasing and "fanciness" (i.e. drop shadow, edge glow, etc.) and increasing size can help. Small titles should be avoided in any case, because it can be hard to read (your display device may have lower resolution that what you see in studio). Also, small text is prone to chroma crawl (the rainbow stuff on the edges of black and white text is an example).

October 21st, 2005, 06:27 AM	#938
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Increase the bit rate?

October 21st, 2005, 07:21 AM	#939
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	What does it look like if you take that rendered DV-AVI and then render THAT to MPEG2? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 21st, 2005, 11:49 AM	#940
Fred Foronda Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hawaii Posts: 337	Done! Its pretty cool I can upload it to the Sony's Playstation portable. That way I can show my stuffs to potential cients?!!?? Thanks!

October 21st, 2005, 02:56 PM	#941
Darius Azari New Boot Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 5	Q: on Vegas / CineForm HDV edit - open to suggestions Applacation: Write, produce, direct, edit video based content not to exceed 3o minutes Direct to dvd with high quality informative content. Limited distribution – in the hundreds DVH aspect ratio desired. (I know thereis no media, (DVD) available yet. Professional but not broadcast quality a must. Content, titles, nice cuts, limited CGI or motion graphics My thoughts on a production package: • Capture: Sony HVR-Z1 • Edit: Avid Xpress Pro HD Mojo on authorized dealer configured system (any comments on Promax as a vendor) Questions • I want a system that works out of the box with minimal glitches. • Is the Avid price premium worth it versus Vegas w/ CiniForm, Premier Pro or other? • I want a PC based platform

October 21st, 2005, 04:45 PM	#943
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Thanks go to user MarcoB on the Sony forum for providing this fix. I can verify that it works perfectly :-) I've added a follow-up comment from him as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Vegas analyses and uses the Canopus AVIs coming from Rex not correctly. For Vegas them are Upper Field First though actually them are Lower Field First. I had the same problem several times and Sony Support helped me by telling me how to modify the "Vegas profile.ini" file which is in the Vegas program folder. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Open the file "Vegas profiles.ini" within an editor. Search for this phrase: "Key2=0, "None", 720, 576, 25.0, 0 Attributes2="Upper First", 1.0925925925, "Undefined", 1" Modify this one to "Key2=0, "None", 720, 576, 25.0, 0 Attributes2="Lower First", 1.0925925925, "Undefined", 1" Save the file anew . Be sure to have copied the original file with another name first to have a backup! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now when you reopen Vegas it will analyse and use the Canopus AVI files correctly as Lower Field First. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Follow-up: The modified ini-file seems to be perfect for any dv stuff because dv must be lower field first and even if Vegas is confused by certain dv files like the Canopus ones it'll be perfect - lower field first. But if you have a video input which fits 720x576 size and 25 fps but which is NOT dv then it does also change the field order to lower field first which might be not correct then. So if you import or capture video which is Sony YUV it actually should have upper field first but with this modified ini-field it will be read as lower field first in Vegas. This means you probably will not have any trouble with that kind of modified ini-file when using dv video. But you must reset the ini-file if you're going to use video which actually is upper field first. If you have a project running with mixed stuff - both upper and lower field first - the modified ini-file is no help at all.

October 22nd, 2005, 11:45 AM	#944
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	Update - First of all thanks for the info. I did figure out a solution, though it's odd I had to do this. Vegas was outputting my files at 23.976023 fps but the project settings were only doing it at 23.976 (IVTC film). I have no idea why this was happening, but when I set my project settings to 23.976023, everything was good again. Very wierd.

October 22nd, 2005, 04:22 PM	#945
Plamen Petrov Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sofia Bulgaria Posts: 147	Lame MP3 error ?!? Hello everybody! When I want to render a video footage out in AVI, if I choose LAME MP3 for AUDIO, I get the message: "An error occured while opening a codec." So,where is the problem? I have LameMP3.dll in my system but not in Sony Vegas directory. What to do?!?