Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q3Q4)

Chris Hurd · July 20th, 2006, 07:50 AM

My apologies for not getting an announcerment out. I need to clone myself, to better spread the workload. If you've noticed, all of the post production boards are now under a single category.

Steven Davis · July 20th, 2006, 07:54 AM

Sent to Sony, I'll update with thier answer.

Steven Davis · July 20th, 2006, 07:58 AM

Heck usually I can barely make words out in between sips of morning coffee. But again, thanks for all the hard work admins.

Ian Stark · July 20th, 2006, 08:18 AM

Ditto Steven's remarks. You all do an outstanding job with these forums. And great to see a new compositing board as well!

David Delaney · July 20th, 2006, 11:13 AM

I am thinking about upgrading to Vegas 6. Does it come with everything needed to edit from an HD camera out of the box? Do I need special software that is extra (or hardware). Right now I have a Firewire for DV.

John Harmon · July 20th, 2006, 12:21 PM

Well, I have Vegas Movie Studio 6 Platinum, and it can do HD, so it follows that the full version should as well.

Zdravko Jancevski · July 20th, 2006, 12:36 PM

I have instaled "DV CODEC SWITCHER" and with this tool I can choose which codec to use during DV capturing or editing in Vegas (one of codecs that I have instaled on my computer, Canopus, Cedocida, Panasonic ...).
So my question is, which DV codec gives high quality for capturing and editing.
On of them or some other?
Regards.

David Delaney · July 20th, 2006, 12:54 PM

That is good. No plugin required. Did you use straight firewire?

Edward Troxel · July 20th, 2006, 12:55 PM

Technically, a codec is not used during capture. The data is simply copied from the tape to the hard drive. The codec is used for decoding the video to display on the screen and reencoding when changes are made.

For Vegas, I'd stick with the Sony DV codec included with Vegas.

Edward Troxel · July 20th, 2006, 12:57 PM

You'll be good to go straight out of the box. Vegas 6 can capture HDV direct from firewire using the internal capture program.

David Delaney · July 20th, 2006, 01:04 PM

What size of drive are we talking about for 15-20 minutes - and how can I output this keeping HD (to DVD?)?

Edward Troxel · July 20th, 2006, 03:21 PM

HD (m2t) files are about the same size as DV (DV-AVI) files - roughly 13Gig/hour. If you then convert them to Cineform, they will be larger. Besides, you can never have too much disk space.

William Hess · July 20th, 2006, 06:39 PM

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Douglas Spotted Eagle · July 20th, 2006, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Delaney

What size of drive are we talking about for 15-20 minutes - and how can I output this keeping HD (to DVD?)?

As Edward mentioned, 1080i HDV is 25Mbps, same as DV. Converted to CineForm Medium setting, plan on around 40GBph.

Steven Davis · July 21st, 2006, 06:15 AM

The problem was vegas was crashing specifically on a render of a build made up of 6 sub builds.

The first thing I did to try and diagnose this was to render each veg file individually that makes up my final veg build. I figured and still do believe that the crashing has something to do with a single part such as a audio or video file. But renderign each part was successful, so the next thing I did was recreate the veg file with all the veg parts/builds. I did not add the music. I rendered this no problem. Because I had tried to render my 'Love Build' and it crashed three times, I then decided to render it using my older machine. This would be a render from files on my NLE to an older machine over a network. Well it took about 3 times as long but it rendered nontheless.

So in short, I could render the parts of my build individually and collectively (minus the music and one picture), and I could render the same total build on my older machine across my network even, but I can't render the same build on my NLE from my NLE.

My conclusion so far is that one of the files used in my total build is not being read by my page file on my NLE. When I get some time, I'll probably rebuild that total build and see if it renders, for now though there's more work to be done.

It beats all I've ever seen, hehe, I hope this diatribe helps someone in the future.

July 20th, 2006, 07:50 AM	#286
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	My apologies for not getting an announcerment out. I need to clone myself, to better spread the workload. If you've noticed, all of the post production boards are now under a single category. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 20th, 2006, 07:54 AM	#287
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Sent to Sony, I'll update with thier answer. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

July 20th, 2006, 07:58 AM	#288
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Heck usually I can barely make words out in between sips of morning coffee. But again, thanks for all the hard work admins. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

July 20th, 2006, 08:18 AM	#289
Ian Stark Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,237	Ditto Steven's remarks. You all do an outstanding job with these forums. And great to see a new compositing board as well! __________________ www.vit-media.com www.classicmachinefilms.co.uk

July 20th, 2006, 11:13 AM	#290
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	Vegas 6 and HD - does it come native? I am thinking about upgrading to Vegas 6. Does it come with everything needed to edit from an HD camera out of the box? Do I need special software that is extra (or hardware). Right now I have a Firewire for DV.

July 20th, 2006, 12:21 PM	#291
John Harmon Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Warren, Michigan, USA Posts: 96	Well, I have Vegas Movie Studio 6 Platinum, and it can do HD, so it follows that the full version should as well.

July 20th, 2006, 12:36 PM	#292
Zdravko Jancevski Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Macedonia Posts: 36	Which DV Codec to use I have instaled "DV CODEC SWITCHER" and with this tool I can choose which codec to use during DV capturing or editing in Vegas (one of codecs that I have instaled on my computer, Canopus, Cedocida, Panasonic ...). So my question is, which DV codec gives high quality for capturing and editing. On of them or some other? Regards.

July 20th, 2006, 12:54 PM	#293
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	That is good. No plugin required. Did you use straight firewire?

July 20th, 2006, 12:55 PM	#294
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Technically, a codec is not used during capture. The data is simply copied from the tape to the hard drive. The codec is used for decoding the video to display on the screen and reencoding when changes are made. For Vegas, I'd stick with the Sony DV codec included with Vegas. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 20th, 2006, 12:57 PM	#295
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You'll be good to go straight out of the box. Vegas 6 can capture HDV direct from firewire using the internal capture program. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 20th, 2006, 01:04 PM	#296
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	What size of drive are we talking about for 15-20 minutes - and how can I output this keeping HD (to DVD?)?

July 20th, 2006, 03:21 PM	#297
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	HD (m2t) files are about the same size as DV (DV-AVI) files - roughly 13Gig/hour. If you then convert them to Cineform, they will be larger. Besides, you can never have too much disk space. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

July 20th, 2006, 06:39 PM	#298
William Hess New Boot Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 20	Vegas 6.0d, Cineform, and JVC HD-100 Edit: Please delete this message Last edited by William Hess; July 21st, 2006 at 10:11 AM.

July 21st, 2006, 06:15 AM	#300
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Update The problem was vegas was crashing specifically on a render of a build made up of 6 sub builds. The first thing I did to try and diagnose this was to render each veg file individually that makes up my final veg build. I figured and still do believe that the crashing has something to do with a single part such as a audio or video file. But renderign each part was successful, so the next thing I did was recreate the veg file with all the veg parts/builds. I did not add the music. I rendered this no problem. Because I had tried to render my 'Love Build' and it crashed three times, I then decided to render it using my older machine. This would be a render from files on my NLE to an older machine over a network. Well it took about 3 times as long but it rendered nontheless. So in short, I could render the parts of my build individually and collectively (minus the music and one picture), and I could render the same total build on my older machine across my network even, but I can't render the same build on my NLE from my NLE. My conclusion so far is that one of the files used in my total build is not being read by my page file on my NLE. When I get some time, I'll probably rebuild that total build and see if it renders, for now though there's more work to be done. It beats all I've ever seen, hehe, I hope this diatribe helps someone in the future. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?