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Old January 28th, 2010, 04:01 PM   #1
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need to render Vegas to Flash - best way

I am rendering out some video that I need to convert to FLV - what are most people doing to complete this? I want to keep the file size smaller as well.
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Old January 28th, 2010, 04:20 PM   #2
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David,

I've used flixpro for the last couple of years to convert .avi to flash http://www.on2.com/index.php?365 and been very happy with the results.
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Old January 28th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #3
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What did you render the original file from vegas as?
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Old January 28th, 2010, 05:04 PM   #4
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Hi David

I use FlixPro for my FLV's as well. I suspect that it might make a better clip if you use a lossless format but to be perfectly honest, I'm lazy!!! I just render the video using the MPEG2 template and use the default preset. I then change the video size to what I need using the 'custom' button and change the field order to 'none-progressive', the frame rate to 30fps (we are in PAL land), and the then aspect from 16:9 to 'square pixels'

The end result with the MPEG2 to FLV is pretty good!!! You are looking at around 35mb for a 10 minute clip encoded at 512kbs. The overall result must be acceptable to my wedding clients as they often book a wedding after just seeing on online clips and those are done at 480x270 pixels as I'm using the MediaCollege free player as it has a neat playlist so I can run multiple clips in one player.

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Old January 29th, 2010, 10:49 AM   #5
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I've used flixpro for the last couple of years to convert .avi to flash On2 Flix Pro - Professional Flash Video Editing & Encoding Software for Windows and Mac and been very happy with the results.
Also, take a look at Flix Standard on the same site. The least-expensive way to get On2's excellent VP6 codec. Here's their comparison chart.
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Old January 29th, 2010, 11:35 AM   #6
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When I need an FLV I render in Vegas to AVI then bring it into OnFlix standard and render to FLV in that. The quality is very good and very easy and trouble free. Well worth it IMO.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 03:05 AM   #7
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....... I then change the video size to what I need using the 'custom' button and change the field order to 'none-progressive', the frame rate to 30fps (we are in PAL land), and the then aspect from 16:9 to 'square pixels' .........

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Surely, if you're in PAL land, that should be 25fps...??
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Old January 31st, 2010, 06:33 PM   #8
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Hi Steve
Most web video is at 30fps as TV systems don't come into play at all with web based video. It just seems to look a tad better at 30fps.

Hi Don

Just for interest, which AVI preset do you use when rendering video out to AVI for Flix???
I'm getting good results with MPEG2 files to FLV but they are obviously already "lossy''

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Old January 31st, 2010, 06:46 PM   #9
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Is this sw free?
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Old January 31st, 2010, 07:17 PM   #10
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You might be able to frame serve with debugmode frameserver from Vegas and then convert to flv in Super. Both software are free.

Frameserver will spare you a render since it allows your Vegas project on the timeline to render into another application, in this case Super.


Taken from debugmode instructions:

Sony Vegas/Vegas Pro
1. Choose menu "File > Render As" to open the default render dialog (make sure your project uses 8/16 bit audio, they are the supported formats).
2. Enter a valid filename for the output file. This file is called the "signpost" file.
3. Choose "Debugmode FrameServer" as the output type.
4. Click "Save" to start FrameServing.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 07:39 PM   #11
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Chris,
when I render to AVI I just use the DV-AVI standard preset whatever that is. Too be honest I don't remember the exact numbers and my machine is off but it's just the standard preset.
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Old January 31st, 2010, 09:03 PM   #12
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Hey Don

Many thanks..I'll see if there is any marked difference ,,there should be!! In Flix I'm not using the VP6 facilities ..it looked confusing so my current clips are just done in Flash 8 at 512kbs and look fairly good to me.

Where can I get more info on using the VP6 side of Flix??? Is file size better???? An 8 minute wedding clip at the moment comes out around 35mb encoded at 512kbs in Flash 8

Thanks again Don

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Old February 1st, 2010, 10:49 AM   #13
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No. No encoder that includes the excellent VP6 flash video codec is free. For free flash encoding, you either need to use the horrible Sorenson Spark codec, or, h.264. h.264 can be pretty good, and many people are using it, but, it is a highly complex codec that takes some processing power to decode.

Per recent analysis by Jan Ozer (article is online, but I can't look at the moment), Youtube is using h.264 at low resolutions, VP6 at medium resolutions, and h.264 at high resolutions. Very interesting information, to me at least.

See below for the links. Flix Standard is $40 USD, which is the minimum cost of a VP6-capable encoder. Every other encoder is hundreds of $.

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Also, take a look at Flix Standard on the same site. The least-expensive way to get On2's excellent VP6 codec. Here's their comparison chart.
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Old February 1st, 2010, 02:58 PM   #14
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I frameserve directly from Vegas 8 to Flash Encoder. Works like a charm.
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Old February 5th, 2010, 06:08 PM   #15
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Ok, I have a strange issue here.
I have rendered out the files to AVI both regular and widescreen (to make the comparison). From here, I have taken them into FlixPro and rendered them out to FLV. But when I view the finished video, it looks squished. The AVI looks great (there is a ROUND bass drum in the shot, so that is my point of reference). The flv, which is rendered at 320 X 213 is slightly squished top to bottom, the drum becomes a light oval. Not sure why.
The original footage is 720 X 480 DV from the HV20. The project is set up according to the footage, and the AVI rendered looks right - but the final out from FlixPro is noticeable squished.
I maintained video ratio in the setting as well. What do you think this issue is?

Also I just noticed if I switch the VLC player to 4:3, it looks fine, but the FLV output from the FlixPro and running the FLV files natively from VLC player/video media player, it is still squished - something is up...
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