Vegas Video discussions from 2006 (Q1Q2)

Alex Thames · May 3rd, 2006, 06:17 PM

I have some footage that I would like to make slow-motion or speed-up motion in Vegas 6.0d. How do I do this? Also, I know that speed-ups faster than 12x require something extra (not sure what), but what about slow-mo?

Eric Pontbriand · May 3rd, 2006, 06:57 PM

OK, I've been battling the 24p mode on my AG and all the strobing and such...for nothing.

I plugged the camera via s-video direct to a large monitor and the footage is sharp, detailed and vibrant.

On render out of Vegas 6, the footage is dull, blurry, lacks detail and has aweful strobing. I setup my project to 24p at correct resolution and I rendered to an AVI.

Watching the rendered AVI reveals aweful footage both on my LCD and out to svideo to the same large monitor. Am I missing something?

Jim Montgomery · May 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM

Alex

In the Vegas timeline you grab the clip edge as you hold down the ctr key. This will allow you to time stretch the video either way. It is the same as trimming the clip with your mouse only adding the ctrl key. Off hand I think 50% is it in Vegas. If you require more you will need to use AE 7.0, which is really great for this, or DynaPeel "SloMotion" or a similair app.

Mike Kujbida · May 3rd, 2006, 07:37 PM

In addition to the CTRL-drag trick (400% + or -), you can insert a Velocity envelope. Right click on the clip - Insert - Velocity envelope. This will give you a further 300% (+ or -) speed change. If this isn't enough, render the clip to a new track and repeat.

Ian Slessor · May 3rd, 2006, 07:49 PM

Hey gang,

I'm picking up a laptop next week so that I can edit during free time at work or when the kids are out and I'm sitting around waiting for them to finish dance class.

Do I have to buy two separate copies of Vegas or can I simply install on my laptop using the same serial number as on my desktop? I'm asking because I want to keep it legal.

I'm really hoping the answer is "yes."

Thanks.

sincerely,

ian

Edward Troxel · May 3rd, 2006, 07:51 PM

The answer is YES. In fact, for network rendering you're allowed to install it on three machines connected via a network. For your case, install on both but you can only legally EDIT on one machine at a time.

Edward Troxel · May 3rd, 2006, 07:55 PM

For a more complete writeup, take a look at Vol 1 #9 of my newsletters

Alex Thames · May 3rd, 2006, 08:05 PM

A little confused how to use the velocity envelope. If I want to slow down should I use +velocity or -velocity? It seems like - is slow-mo, but when I add a point, whenver the video gets to that point it starts reversing. So if a guy was doing a flip from left to right, suddenly the flip reverses to show right to left.

Ian Slessor · May 3rd, 2006, 08:06 PM

Well, that's good news. Yeah, I'll only be editing on one at a time. I'll be putting any project I'm working on on a portable FW HDD and when I'm home the desktop and when I'm out and about the laptop. Back and forth as it were.

I'll still be legal.

Again, thanks.

sincerely,

ian

Mike Kujbida · May 3rd, 2006, 08:28 PM

100% is normal speed forward;
0% is zero motion;
-100% is normal speed reverse.
Any negative values sends the video backwards.
Make sense?

Alex Thames · May 3rd, 2006, 08:34 PM

Okay, got it. Thanks.

Eric Pontbriand · May 3rd, 2006, 10:10 PM

Maybe it was some sort of machine problem, but I found out about the Vegas 6D update. I was running 6B. Installed update and re-rendered footage to AVI and it llooks 100% now.

I'm thinking maybe there was a bug fix that included the laptop that I'm rendering on, which is a Dell Inspiron 9300.

Eric Pontbriand · May 4th, 2006, 12:14 AM

I've been rendering the same 15 seconds of footage all night and nothing I do can make the footage appear the same quality as what's on the tape.

I shot 24pa and tried every export option. When I play back at highest quality in the preview window, the preview looks better than the final render on the very same production monitor (second display). I have my vegas preview window set at the highest setting, full screen on monitor two (CRT) and it looks awesome... until I render.

When I play back using Media player the rendered AVI or even MPEG, there is lots of blur, the color is darker and there are artifacts and lack of detail, strobing and more. What's on the tape looks great.

When I say blury, I mean just motion blur around the edges especially. It's weird, because the tape isn't blury.

What could be going on for me?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · May 4th, 2006, 01:18 AM

What did you shoot with?
What are your project settings?
What are you rendering to? (template)
Where are you previewing it overall? Remember that Windows Media Player has incorrect gamma settings, and additionally may not be set up well

Eric Pontbriand · May 4th, 2006, 06:14 AM

Shot at 24pa on a Panasonic AG-DVX100a
Editing on Dell Inspiron laptop, 512mb ram, Nvidia 6800 512mb, M 2ghz. Intel.
Editing in Sony Vegas 6.
Project settings 24p are correct.
Previewing on monitor two, CRT Television, 29"
Rendered to the following:
MPEG DVD 24P, MPEG DVD INTERLACED, AVI UNCOMPRESSED, AVI NTSC STANDARD, AVI NTSC PROGRESSIVE, and so on...
it plays smooth and crisp in the preview window
On ANY render it looks like hell in:
Media player, quicktime or even nero's player through the same preview monitor.
It would be hard to imagine that my PC cannot manage the playback stream if it can play the original footage fine and edit in real time, even when dropping magic bullet on the timeline.

May 3rd, 2006, 06:17 PM	#1426
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	How to Speed up/slow down footage? I have some footage that I would like to make slow-motion or speed-up motion in Vegas 6.0d. How do I do this? Also, I know that speed-ups faster than 12x require something extra (not sure what), but what about slow-mo?

May 3rd, 2006, 06:57 PM	#1427
Eric Pontbriand Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Watertown, CT Posts: 29	24p and Vegas - crap output help! OK, I've been battling the 24p mode on my AG and all the strobing and such...for nothing. I plugged the camera via s-video direct to a large monitor and the footage is sharp, detailed and vibrant. On render out of Vegas 6, the footage is dull, blurry, lacks detail and has aweful strobing. I setup my project to 24p at correct resolution and I rendered to an AVI. Watching the rendered AVI reveals aweful footage both on my LCD and out to svideo to the same large monitor. Am I missing something?

May 3rd, 2006, 07:49 PM	#1430
Ian Slessor Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South-Central Ontario, Canada Posts: 216	Do I have to buy another copy of Vegas? Hey gang, I'm picking up a laptop next week so that I can edit during free time at work or when the kids are out and I'm sitting around waiting for them to finish dance class. Do I have to buy two separate copies of Vegas or can I simply install on my laptop using the same serial number as on my desktop? I'm asking because I want to keep it legal. I'm really hoping the answer is "yes." Thanks. sincerely, ian

May 3rd, 2006, 07:51 PM	#1431
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The answer is YES. In fact, for network rendering you're allowed to install it on three machines connected via a network. For your case, install on both but you can only legally EDIT on one machine at a time. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

May 3rd, 2006, 07:55 PM	#1432
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	For a more complete writeup, take a look at Vol 1 #9 of my newsletters __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

May 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM	#1428
Jim Montgomery Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Vero Beach Posts: 392	Alex In the Vegas timeline you grab the clip edge as you hold down the ctr key. This will allow you to time stretch the video either way. It is the same as trimming the clip with your mouse only adding the ctrl key. Off hand I think 50% is it in Vegas. If you require more you will need to use AE 7.0, which is really great for this, or DynaPeel "SloMotion" or a similair app.

May 3rd, 2006, 07:37 PM	#1429
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	In addition to the CTRL-drag trick (400% + or -), you can insert a Velocity envelope. Right click on the clip - Insert - Velocity envelope. This will give you a further 300% (+ or -) speed change. If this isn't enough, render the clip to a new track and repeat.

May 3rd, 2006, 08:05 PM	#1433
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	A little confused how to use the velocity envelope. If I want to slow down should I use +velocity or -velocity? It seems like - is slow-mo, but when I add a point, whenver the video gets to that point it starts reversing. So if a guy was doing a flip from left to right, suddenly the flip reverses to show right to left.

May 3rd, 2006, 08:06 PM	#1434
Ian Slessor Major Player Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South-Central Ontario, Canada Posts: 216	Thanks Ed! Well, that's good news. Yeah, I'll only be editing on one at a time. I'll be putting any project I'm working on on a portable FW HDD and when I'm home the desktop and when I'm out and about the laptop. Back and forth as it were. I'll still be legal. Again, thanks. sincerely, ian

May 3rd, 2006, 08:28 PM	#1435
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	100% is normal speed forward; 0% is zero motion; -100% is normal speed reverse. Any negative values sends the video backwards. Make sense?

May 3rd, 2006, 08:34 PM	#1436
Alex Thames Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 508	Okay, got it. Thanks.

May 3rd, 2006, 10:10 PM	#1437
Eric Pontbriand Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Watertown, CT Posts: 29	OK, Vegas 6D update fixed problem Maybe it was some sort of machine problem, but I found out about the Vegas 6D update. I was running 6B. Installed update and re-rendered footage to AVI and it llooks 100% now. I'm thinking maybe there was a bug fix that included the laptop that I'm rendering on, which is a Dell Inspiron 9300.

May 4th, 2006, 12:14 AM	#1438
Eric Pontbriand Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Watertown, CT Posts: 29	Render quality I've been rendering the same 15 seconds of footage all night and nothing I do can make the footage appear the same quality as what's on the tape. I shot 24pa and tried every export option. When I play back at highest quality in the preview window, the preview looks better than the final render on the very same production monitor (second display). I have my vegas preview window set at the highest setting, full screen on monitor two (CRT) and it looks awesome... until I render. When I play back using Media player the rendered AVI or even MPEG, there is lots of blur, the color is darker and there are artifacts and lack of detail, strobing and more. What's on the tape looks great. When I say blury, I mean just motion blur around the edges especially. It's weird, because the tape isn't blury. What could be going on for me?

May 4th, 2006, 01:18 AM	#1439
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	What did you shoot with? What are your project settings? What are you rendering to? (template) Where are you previewing it overall? Remember that Windows Media Player has incorrect gamma settings, and additionally may not be set up well __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

May 4th, 2006, 06:14 AM	#1440
Eric Pontbriand Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Watertown, CT Posts: 29	envirnonment Shot at 24pa on a Panasonic AG-DVX100a Editing on Dell Inspiron laptop, 512mb ram, Nvidia 6800 512mb, M 2ghz. Intel. Editing in Sony Vegas 6. Project settings 24p are correct. Previewing on monitor two, CRT Television, 29" Rendered to the following: MPEG DVD 24P, MPEG DVD INTERLACED, AVI UNCOMPRESSED, AVI NTSC STANDARD, AVI NTSC PROGRESSIVE, and so on... it plays smooth and crisp in the preview window On ANY render it looks like hell in: Media player, quicktime or even nero's player through the same preview monitor. It would be hard to imagine that my PC cannot manage the playback stream if it can play the original footage fine and edit in real time, even when dropping magic bullet on the timeline.