Vegas Video

Don Donatello · November 16th, 2002, 01:45 PM

here's review on Vegas Video ... you can also read reviews od FCP and avid at the site

http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2001/12_dec/reviews/cw_vegasvid3.htm

Josh Bass · November 16th, 2002, 01:59 PM

I just downloaded that 3D plugin. Very nice! Reminds me of the interface on the 50,000 dollars systems they had at our local UPN affiliate. Winmorph download seems to have been corrupted however :-( . I guess I'll try again.

Rick O'Brien · November 17th, 2002, 11:24 PM

Full version of WinMorph just released!
Taken form a post from the Sonicfoundry fourum (Vegas Video)

1) The WinMorph Morph transition now integrates more with Vegas. The cacheing method has been replaced with a better approach, so now you can use WinMorph like any other transition without any complications. For this to work, the dynamic RAM preview has to be turned off in Vegas (like in PluginPac 3D LE).

2) A new "Warp - WinMorph" video FX plugin has been added. So you can use WinMorph for warping/distorting events in the timeline. The sample veggies will show how easy it is to create innovative effects.

WinMorph 3.01 can be downloaded for FREE from http://www.debugmode.com/winmorph/

If any problems, please post here or at the WinMorph Userforum at http://www.debugmode.com/forums/

Thanks
Satish

Josh Bass · November 18th, 2002, 12:41 AM

What's the deal with turning off the dynamic previewing? Doesn't that mean you can't see your FX without rendering?

Frank Granovski · November 18th, 2002, 04:26 AM

Man..., it even converts PAL to NTSC? I have one more question. (And thanks for all the information.) Say I want to put a computer together, what would be good to run Vegas?

1) Motherboard / chip
2) cards
3) HD / memory
4) did I miss something?

Thanks!

PS: I can't download the demo because I'm running an older system (P100). A new computer would be strictly for video. (Please don't suggest a MAC.)

David Mintzer · November 18th, 2002, 06:34 AM

Frank--the beauty of Vegas is that hardware requirements are minimal although the more raw computing power, the better the performance. Just make sure you have an OCHI complient firewire card--(the ADS Pyro with TI chips seems to be the card of choice) a dedicated video hard drive running at 7200 rpm, and 512k of memory. It runs great on either Intel or AMD and a quality mother board.

Jeff Donald · November 18th, 2002, 06:58 AM

I've seen the conversion of NTSC to PAL and vice versa. It's not something I would sell to a client. Maybe, it would be suitable for event type work, weddings etc. The best conversions I've seen are through stand alone hardware (Snell & Wilcox).

Jeff

Rick O'Brien · November 18th, 2002, 08:29 AM

Josh, No you still get a good preview.
even on my dual 600 pentium three.

Joe Carney · November 18th, 2002, 10:09 AM

Jeff, I've seen it too, and it's great when the proper settings are used.

Josh Bass · November 18th, 2002, 10:25 AM

I'm still not sure why they say to turn off the previewing for use of the 3D pack. I've had it on and everything still works fine.

Frank Granovski · November 18th, 2002, 06:37 PM

Thanks for the hardware advice.

Re: "The best conversions I've seen are through stand alone hardware (Snell & Wilcox)."

Yeah, someone at the camera forum at www.dv.com said this costs around $125,000 US. Ouch! I'm just a bottom feeder...instructional and event videos. (Pays the bills, though.)

Jeff Donald · November 18th, 2002, 08:19 PM

They have units for less than 1/10 that price, maybe even 1/20 (just checking your math skills, Frank, your probably reading this at 5 in the morning). But if jojolimited says it has a great look, he's probably right. I don't use VV and the footage I saw was done by someone else. Proper settings will make all the difference in software encoding.

Jeff

Frank Granovski · November 18th, 2002, 09:20 PM

1/20 of that price, that's about what a top of the line SVHS multi-system converting VCR/deck costs.

Dan Holly · November 18th, 2002, 10:06 PM

<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : Man..., it even converts PAL to NTSC? I have one more question. (And thanks for all the information.) Say I want to put a computer together, what would be good to run Vegas?<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski

I'm running the following low cost setup with VV:

MB: Abit BD7II-Raid (built in LAN/Audio/USB 2.0/ATA 133)
CPU: P4 1.8ghz
Video: ATI Radeon 7500 AGP 64meg DDR
RAM: 512 Crucial PC 2100
HD's: Seagate barracuda's 7200 spin (4 drives @ ~140gig in a RAID 0 configuration)
Firewire: OHIC compliant "plane jane" card
OS: XP Pro

VV works pretty well with the above, and if you upgrade to a faster CPU, video, and RAM you are still in for "cheap"..... if you shop around.

Also, VV plays nicely in the M$ XP operating system sandbox!

The above MB can take any flavor of the socket 478 with 400mhz/533mhz DDR bus speeds, hyper threading, and will take up to 2gig of DDR RAM <;~).

Hope that helps.

Rgds.,
Dan

Joe Carney · November 18th, 2002, 10:14 PM

Frank, in the past, you indicated you do a lot of travelling. If your budget allows, look for a well equpped laptop and add an external firewire drive. More expensive, but very usable with VV.
You could shoot and edit just about anywhere.
Also, the license from SonicFoundry license reads, you can install on a desktop and your laptop (basically more than one machine) just as long as you only use one copy at a time. That doesn't mean you can share a copy with a friend.

I got that directly from a SoFo support rep. Capture in the field, come back transfer to desktop, finish it up. wooohah!

November 16th, 2002, 01:59 PM	#17
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I just downloaded that 3D plugin. Very nice! Reminds me of the interface on the 50,000 dollars systems they had at our local UPN affiliate. Winmorph download seems to have been corrupted however :-( . I guess I'll try again. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 17th, 2002, 11:24 PM	#18
Rick O'Brien Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36	Full version of WinMorph just released! Taken form a post from the Sonicfoundry fourum (Vegas Video) 1) The WinMorph Morph transition now integrates more with Vegas. The cacheing method has been replaced with a better approach, so now you can use WinMorph like any other transition without any complications. For this to work, the dynamic RAM preview has to be turned off in Vegas (like in PluginPac 3D LE). 2) A new "Warp - WinMorph" video FX plugin has been added. So you can use WinMorph for warping/distorting events in the timeline. The sample veggies will show how easy it is to create innovative effects. WinMorph 3.01 can be downloaded for FREE from http://www.debugmode.com/winmorph/ If any problems, please post here or at the WinMorph Userforum at http://www.debugmode.com/forums/ Thanks Satish __________________ Rick O'Brien -Multimedia Producer See the NLE Motherboard configuration site. www.2behold.com/NLE.htm -Stable working systems motherboard configurations-

November 18th, 2002, 12:41 AM	#19
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	What's the deal with turning off the dynamic previewing? Doesn't that mean you can't see your FX without rendering? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 18th, 2002, 08:29 AM	#23
Rick O'Brien Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 36	Josh, No you still get a good preview. even on my dual 600 pentium three. __________________ Rick O'Brien -Multimedia Producer See the NLE Motherboard configuration site. www.2behold.com/NLE.htm -Stable working systems motherboard configurations-

November 18th, 2002, 10:25 AM	#25
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I'm still not sure why they say to turn off the previewing for use of the 3D pack. I've had it on and everything still works fine. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

November 16th, 2002, 01:45 PM	#16
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	here's review on Vegas Video ... you can also read reviews od FCP and avid at the site http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2001/12_dec/reviews/cw_vegasvid3.htm

November 18th, 2002, 04:26 AM	#20
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Man..., it even converts PAL to NTSC? I have one more question. (And thanks for all the information.) Say I want to put a computer together, what would be good to run Vegas? 1) Motherboard / chip 2) cards 3) HD / memory 4) did I miss something? Thanks! PS: I can't download the demo because I'm running an older system (P100). A new computer would be strictly for video. (Please don't suggest a MAC.)

November 18th, 2002, 06:34 AM	#21
David Mintzer Rextilleon Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pleasantville, NY Posts: 520	Frank--the beauty of Vegas is that hardware requirements are minimal although the more raw computing power, the better the performance. Just make sure you have an OCHI complient firewire card--(the ADS Pyro with TI chips seems to be the card of choice) a dedicated video hard drive running at 7200 rpm, and 512k of memory. It runs great on either Intel or AMD and a quality mother board.

November 18th, 2002, 06:58 AM	#22
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	I've seen the conversion of NTSC to PAL and vice versa. It's not something I would sell to a client. Maybe, it would be suitable for event type work, weddings etc. The best conversions I've seen are through stand alone hardware (Snell & Wilcox). Jeff

November 18th, 2002, 10:09 AM	#24
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Jeff, I've seen it too, and it's great when the proper settings are used.

November 18th, 2002, 06:37 PM	#26
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	Thanks for the hardware advice. Re: "The best conversions I've seen are through stand alone hardware (Snell & Wilcox)." Yeah, someone at the camera forum at www.dv.com said this costs around $125,000 US. Ouch! I'm just a bottom feeder...instructional and event videos. (Pays the bills, though.)

November 18th, 2002, 08:19 PM	#27
Jeff Donald Warden Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 8,287	They have units for less than 1/10 that price, maybe even 1/20 (just checking your math skills, Frank, your probably reading this at 5 in the morning). But if jojolimited says it has a great look, he's probably right. I don't use VV and the footage I saw was done by someone else. Proper settings will make all the difference in software encoding. Jeff

November 18th, 2002, 09:20 PM	#28
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	1/20 of that price, that's about what a top of the line SVHS multi-system converting VCR/deck costs.

November 18th, 2002, 10:06 PM	#29
Dan Holly Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 336	<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski : Man..., it even converts PAL to NTSC? I have one more question. (And thanks for all the information.) Say I want to put a computer together, what would be good to run Vegas?<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Granovski I'm running the following low cost setup with VV: MB: Abit BD7II-Raid (built in LAN/Audio/USB 2.0/ATA 133) CPU: P4 1.8ghz Video: ATI Radeon 7500 AGP 64meg DDR RAM: 512 Crucial PC 2100 HD's: Seagate barracuda's 7200 spin (4 drives @ ~140gig in a RAID 0 configuration) Firewire: OHIC compliant "plane jane" card OS: XP Pro VV works pretty well with the above, and if you upgrade to a faster CPU, video, and RAM you are still in for "cheap"..... if you shop around. Also, VV plays nicely in the M$ XP operating system sandbox! The above MB can take any flavor of the socket 478 with 400mhz/533mhz DDR bus speeds, hyper threading, and will take up to 2gig of DDR RAM <;~). Hope that helps. Rgds., Dan __________________ Dan Holly Anchorage, Alaska

November 18th, 2002, 10:14 PM	#30
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Frank, in the past, you indicated you do a lot of travelling. If your budget allows, look for a well equpped laptop and add an external firewire drive. More expensive, but very usable with VV. You could shoot and edit just about anywhere. Also, the license from SonicFoundry license reads, you can install on a desktop and your laptop (basically more than one machine) just as long as you only use one copy at a time. That doesn't mean you can share a copy with a friend. I got that directly from a SoFo support rep. Capture in the field, come back transfer to desktop, finish it up. wooohah!