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Old March 28th, 2011, 03:44 PM   #1
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Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Hi,
question: if i wanna insert a couple of NTSC VHSimages from 1970s on my doc HDV108050i shot with FX1 Pal what's the best thing to do?
Render the vhs clips in HDV 1080 50i (so i'll match the output project)?
Or should i open a new projects matching the NTSC clips and rendering output in ntsc 1080 60p then add those parts that interest me on my 1080 50 i timeline?

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Old March 28th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #2
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Marcus, you can try to up-sample your VHS clips but I think you're going to be disappointed with the result.
VHS is far less resolution than your current project.
What I would do is drop it on your timeline and leave it at it's originate size.
Put a blurred background of some kind behind it to try and hide the fact that it's no where close to HD quality.
Don't take my word for it though.
Try a short test with your second option and see what you think.
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Old March 28th, 2011, 05:04 PM   #3
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Mike, as usual very useful suggestions but it would be cool to find a plugin for vegas to upscale the VHS footage to HDV...I remeber AE has Instant HD, who knows if somedy will find something good for my job!

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Old March 28th, 2011, 06:02 PM   #4
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dream on ;-)

would love to see what you come up with! even tbc'd vhs the best i could do was as mike suggested. don't see what's the problem with it - nearly all broadcasts of 4:3 in 16:9 use a similar method (my preferred is using same shot blurred full screen as bkg.)
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Old March 28th, 2011, 06:05 PM   #5
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my preferred is using same shot blurred full screen as bkg.

Nice to see that great minds think alike !!
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Old March 29th, 2011, 04:32 AM   #6
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Leslie could you post a frame of your blurried bkgd ?
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Old March 29th, 2011, 04:46 AM   #7
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Marcus, place your VHS video on two tracks.
On track 1, leave it at its original small size.
On track 2, open Pan/Crop, right-click and select Match Output Aspect (to make the video fill the frame) and then apply a Gaussian blur to the event.
Adjust the blur as desired so that it doesn't detract from the original video.
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Old March 29th, 2011, 05:13 AM   #8
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Mike i get what you mean, but the idea of stock footage with the background blurried is acceptable for you?
Mike what are foor you acceptable amount of blur to not detract from original video?
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Old March 29th, 2011, 05:28 AM   #9
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Marcus, I'm talking about using the identical clip as the background/blurred clip.
I do this a lot, especially with stills that were shot in portrait mode.
There's no hard and fast rule as to how much blur to use.
Try various amounts (start with the medium setting) and see what works best with the source video.
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Old March 29th, 2011, 05:33 AM   #10
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Mike sorry if i sounded "slow", i perfectly got what you explained, i was just not sure that a similar effect could be used on historical documentaries ( i'm trying to find a similar effect on history channel doc)
I ve reached what you suggested me! Just guessing if it's appropriate for the stock footage on a doc!
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Old March 29th, 2011, 05:55 AM   #11
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No problem Marcus.
I have to confess that I watch very little TV these days so I have no idea whether history docs use this kind of effect or not.
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Old March 29th, 2011, 06:47 AM   #12
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

depending on their budget (;-)) doco's use anything from a simple 4:3 in 16:9 with NO background, through to split screen with two 4:3 frames in them.

it's all a matter of what suits the content, and the general feel / treatment of the subject.

you will be the best judge of that, from assessing the right amount of blur through to split screen, whatever.

just don't try to disguise that it's vhs footage, a IT IS vhs footage, and if you try to make it look something else people will think it's just poorly shot 'modern' material....
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Old March 30th, 2011, 02:56 PM   #13
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Thank you guys, i ve just deinterlaced the footage to fit in a interlaced project but......
I wish Vegas could use some kind of interpolator like INSTANT HD from Red giant that could maximize the quality of Sd. You don't know anything out there?
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Old March 30th, 2011, 05:08 PM   #14
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i ve just deinterlaced the footage to fit in a interlaced project

I have to ask you why you did that.
You do realize that you just threw out 1/2 your resolution by doing that and VHS wasn't that good to start with.
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Old March 30th, 2011, 05:34 PM   #15
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Re: Ntsc insert on a PAL hdv 1059i project

Cause there were those ugly artifacts with the horizontal lines on the VHS clips on my hdv 108050i project.
Mike what would you do to get rid of those bands to conform the footage to HD?
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