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Old April 13th, 2011, 10:15 AM   #16
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Re: DVD image is too large - shouldn't be

I do 2 hr. DVDs a lot and have no problems fitting them on a single layer DVD.
Use the following Max/Avg/Min numbers and I guarantee that it will fit.
8,000,000 / 4,600,000 / 2,800,000
This assumes AC-3 audio at the default setting.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 09:20 AM   #17
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Re: DVD image is too large - shouldn't be

Well, I downloaded DVDA to try out but the last thing I need right now is to learn another complex bit of software. Burning directly in Vegas was simple and quick for a basic DVD.

The issue remains: burning in Vegas is buggy now that it appears some setting has changed. I have a feeling I need to reset the default settings in whatever codec is used to do a direct burn and retry. But without knowing which one it is it will be trial and error unless someone can shed some light.
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Old April 14th, 2011, 10:17 AM   #18
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The problem is that Sony has never shared the information that you want with us.
Like others here, I've used the timeline option when I'm doing a quick and short (under 30 min.) project but that's rare.
DVDA is my preferred method of creating a DVD as you have a LOT more control over everything.
I recommend getting Vol. 1, Issue 7 of Edward's newsletters that deals with DVD creation as it will help to simplify things for you.
While it was written for an earlier version, the basic principles remain the same.
Vol #1, Issue #7
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Old April 15th, 2011, 08:39 AM   #19
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Arthur, DVD Architect can be as simple. Just go to File - New, select "Single Movie", select the file rendered from Vegas, and then click on Burn.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:00 AM   #20
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Thanks guys. Learning DVDA wasn't so difficult after all. I certainly don't need anything fancy to do.

What an adventure! To recap:

1. Vegas specs:

- source: 1280x720x60p
- project length: 01:02:25
- rendered through MainConcept MPEG-2, DVDA NTSC Widescreen Video Stream,16:9, CBR 9264
- I used CBR as Bit Rate Calc showed plenty of space (see next)

2. Bit Rate Calc settings:

- DVD -R 4.70GB disc
- audio: 128 kb/s stereo
- safety factor: 5%
- CBR 9624
- predicted usage (94.6%): 4,462,935,450 bytes
- at recommended rate size: 4,336,710,000 bytes

3. Actual file size on drive after render: 4,798,294 kB (4,913,453,056 bytes)

4. DVDA specs:

- project DVD size lower right corner: 5.1GB, in red
- prepared to burn, DVD, 16:9
- bit rate: 8,000,000

5. After prep phase, project size lower right corner is 4.5GB, in red.

6. Actual file size on drive for all files is 4.14GB (4239.4MB or 4,456,415,232 bytes). Playing one VOB file, format is NOT 16:9 but 4:3.

7. DVDA: go to burn, "Make DVD" window, under Review Message List, Estimated Project size is 4456.8MB.

8. Click on Optimize here and next window shows Estimated Size (below left pane) is 5067.5MB.

9. Still in Optimize window, top right pane Estimated size is 4913.5MB for video, 1.2MB for menus, 45MB for audio. So, 4959.7MB total.

10. Burned DVD and it worked, 16:9 inside 4:3.

Geez!
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