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Pete Cofrancesco · November 27th, 2015, 08:58 AM

I recently tried the option to export timeline to a dvd. The first timeline was 59 minutes and worked fine then I had one an hour half but wouldn't work. Saying it needed 5.7gb larger than a dvd. I was expecting it to automatically adjust the bit rate so it would fit or allow you to manually change it but I didn't see where I could do it.

Jo Ouwejan · November 27th, 2015, 09:28 AM

May I suggest you to buy a DL (Double Layer) DVD? This would work.

Mike Kujbida · November 27th, 2015, 10:50 AM

Pete, my experience has been that using that method works on DVDs that no longer than an hour or so and that's it. I've never tried Jo's suggestion but can't see why it wouldn't work. The only problem is that you won't be able to specify a layer break point so maybe that is a problem :(

EDIT: Out of curiosity I just tried it with a 90 min. project on a regular DVD and got the message "The provided stream to write is too large for the currently inserted media."

Seth Bloombaum · November 27th, 2015, 12:30 PM

Depending on the picture complexity, you can get a good DVD of somewhat over 90 minutes, sometimes over 120 minutes. Of course "good" is a judgement call, but I've never had any quality concerns at 90 or a bit more, even for high-motion content.

The burn the timeline method won't do it, though. Sony apparently included "burn the timeline" for some sort of dailies or quick review workflow. It isn't flexible enough for DVD mastering.

The DVD authoring workflow for mastering looks like this:
1. take the combined length of your content and figure out a video bitrate that will fit it all on a single-layer disk.
2. render video only, starting from the Mainconcept DVD video only preset, but plugging in your bitrate. Be sure to select "best" rendering quality if starting from non-SD content. For SD content "good" is fine.
3. Render audio only to Dolby AC3.
4. Bring these two rendered files into DVD-Architect and author & burn.

There are a lot of details not covered in those 4 steps; if you're not familiar with them I highly recommend downloading all the Vegas newsletters from jetdv.com, where forum moderator Edward Troxel goes into all the details of the workflow, including a table of video bitrates based on length, and discussing the various issues at a length I can't type out in a forum post.

Though these newsletter articles were based on earlier versions of Vegas, this workflow has changed little since v4.

Of course you do need to have DVD-Architect, not only for authoring, but also because some of the necessary encoder licenses come with it, not Vegas.

Pete Cofrancesco · November 27th, 2015, 01:51 PM

I had a client who wanted an unedited video for cast party. I don't have architect just wanted a quick way to send to client. I ended up using my mac system but at the time it was tied up encoding another project.

Thx for the detailed answer. Annoying software.

Edward Troxel · November 29th, 2015, 02:05 PM

I think the issue is the "default bitrate" that Vegas uses. It's fine for shorter videos but would need to be adjusted for longer videos and does not do so automatically.

Jo Ouwejan · November 30th, 2015, 12:02 AM

For that reason, Vegas comes accompanied by DVD Architect. When you decide to go and use that tool, you are forced to go through a lot of alternative render-options in Vegas.

Mike Kujbida · November 30th, 2015, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo Ouwejan

For that reason, Vegas comes accompanied by DVD Architect. When you decide to go and use that tool, you are forced to go through a lot of alternative render-options in Vegas.

I prefer to think of it as getting the best quality I can. The default render settings for DVD Architect in Vegas leave a lot to be desired from a quality standpoint which is why I have a number of custom render templates. If the length of my video is outside of my custom templates it takes no time at all to come up with a new one.

Geoffrey Chandler · December 28th, 2015, 08:29 AM

This feature in Vegas would be awesome for me if it gave the option of "burning" an iso or .gi disc file from the timeline. That would be the perfect thing for my showchoir job where I produce multiple DVD's of each performance on-location with my Primera Bravo robotic DVD burner. From what I could see in the options, this doesn't seem possible.

Seth Bloombaum · December 28th, 2015, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geoffrey Chandler

This feature in Vegas would be awesome for me if it gave the option of "burning" an iso or .gi disc file from the timeline. That would be the perfect thing for my showchoir job where I produce multiple DVD's of each performance on-location with my Primera Bravo robotic DVD burner. From what I could see in the options, this doesn't seem possible.

You're right - it's not possible to create an iso from a timeline burn.

Although, if a timeline burn would otherwise work for you, you could burn a DVD, then use ImgBurn to create an ISO from it.

Edward Troxel · December 29th, 2015, 02:54 PM

Direct from the timeline burns is also limited in time. And you can't change the bitrate settings to allow more time!

Gerald Webb · January 4th, 2016, 03:36 AM

Its an extra cost but this is magic-
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November 27th, 2015, 08:58 AM	#1
Pete Cofrancesco Inner Circle Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,996	Burning DVD I recently tried the option to export timeline to a dvd. The first timeline was 59 minutes and worked fine then I had one an hour half but wouldn't work. Saying it needed 5.7gb larger than a dvd. I was expecting it to automatically adjust the bit rate so it would fit or allow you to manually change it but I didn't see where I could do it.

November 27th, 2015, 09:28 AM	#2
Jo Ouwejan Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Veenendaal, Holland Posts: 225	Re: Burning DVD May I suggest you to buy a DL (Double Layer) DVD? This would work.

November 27th, 2015, 10:50 AM	#3
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Re: Burning DVD Pete, my experience has been that using that method works on DVDs that no longer than an hour or so and that's it. I've never tried Jo's suggestion but can't see why it wouldn't work. The only problem is that you won't be able to specify a layer break point so maybe that is a problem :( EDIT: Out of curiosity I just tried it with a 90 min. project on a regular DVD and got the message "The provided stream to write is too large for the currently inserted media." Last edited by Mike Kujbida; November 27th, 2015 at 11:44 AM.

November 27th, 2015, 12:30 PM	#4
Seth Bloombaum Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,420	Re: Burning DVD Depending on the picture complexity, you can get a good DVD of somewhat over 90 minutes, sometimes over 120 minutes. Of course "good" is a judgement call, but I've never had any quality concerns at 90 or a bit more, even for high-motion content. The burn the timeline method won't do it, though. Sony apparently included "burn the timeline" for some sort of dailies or quick review workflow. It isn't flexible enough for DVD mastering. The DVD authoring workflow for mastering looks like this: 1. take the combined length of your content and figure out a video bitrate that will fit it all on a single-layer disk. 2. render video only, starting from the Mainconcept DVD video only preset, but plugging in your bitrate. Be sure to select "best" rendering quality if starting from non-SD content. For SD content "good" is fine. 3. Render audio only to Dolby AC3. 4. Bring these two rendered files into DVD-Architect and author & burn. There are a lot of details not covered in those 4 steps; if you're not familiar with them I highly recommend downloading all the Vegas newsletters from jetdv.com, where forum moderator Edward Troxel goes into all the details of the workflow, including a table of video bitrates based on length, and discussing the various issues at a length I can't type out in a forum post. Though these newsletter articles were based on earlier versions of Vegas, this workflow has changed little since v4. Of course you do need to have DVD-Architect, not only for authoring, but also because some of the necessary encoder licenses come with it, not Vegas. __________________ 30 years of pro media production. Vegas user since 1.0. Webcaster since 1997. Freelancer since 2000. College instructor since 2001.

November 27th, 2015, 01:51 PM	#5
Pete Cofrancesco Inner Circle Join Date: May 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,996	Re: Burning DVD I had a client who wanted an unedited video for cast party. I don't have architect just wanted a quick way to send to client. I ended up using my mac system but at the time it was tied up encoding another project. Thx for the detailed answer. Annoying software.

November 29th, 2015, 02:05 PM	#6
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Burning DVD I think the issue is the "default bitrate" that Vegas uses. It's fine for shorter videos but would need to be adjusted for longer videos and does not do so automatically. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

November 30th, 2015, 12:02 AM	#7
Jo Ouwejan Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Veenendaal, Holland Posts: 225	Re: Burning DVD For that reason, Vegas comes accompanied by DVD Architect. When you decide to go and use that tool, you are forced to go through a lot of alternative render-options in Vegas.

December 28th, 2015, 08:29 AM	#9
Geoffrey Chandler Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 144	Re: Burning DVD This feature in Vegas would be awesome for me if it gave the option of "burning" an iso or .gi disc file from the timeline. That would be the perfect thing for my showchoir job where I produce multiple DVD's of each performance on-location with my Primera Bravo robotic DVD burner. From what I could see in the options, this doesn't seem possible. __________________ Wedding Videography \| WebCasting & Live Events \| YouTube Channel

December 29th, 2015, 02:54 PM	#11
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Re: Burning DVD Direct from the timeline burns is also limited in time. And you can't change the bitrate settings to allow more time! __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

January 4th, 2016, 03:36 AM	#12
Gerald Webb Trustee Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Coast Australia Posts: 1,046	Re: Burning DVD Its an extra cost but this is magic- Vegasaur Instant DVD: Make ISO image and burn it to DVD disc __________________ http://vimeo.com/livewebvideo