Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Glenn Chan · December 31st, 2003, 02:24 PM

You could try syncing the MD sound to your original clip, and then replace the original clip with a synced version. Obviously, back everything up before you do this.

One problem you are going to have is that MD sync drifts over time. It is going to start going off after 15 minutes. One way to reasonably fix this is to sync the beginning and end, and timestretch the sound to fit. Then check sync throughout. Otherwise you are going to have to go in and sync at many points.

Syncing MD and video: it would be a lot easier if you had a clapboard, but sometimes this isn't practical. Look for visual cues where an audio spike is created, like a shoe hitting the stage. Try to lip sync can drive you nuts, although you can be late by 1 frame and no one will notice (sound travels at 300m/s). Actually if it's all dialogue you may not need to try too hard.

Edward Troxel · December 31st, 2003, 03:13 PM

Actually, Glenn, that doesn't sound like a bad idea. Federico, take the ORIGINAL video and MD audio, place them BOTH on the timeline, mute the ORIGINAL audio and then render to a NEW DV-AVI file (process should be VERY quick.)

Once that is done, rename the ORIGINAL file, name the NEW file what the original WAS called, and then re-open your project! This should bring in the old video with the NEW sound!

John Gaspain · December 31st, 2003, 03:47 PM

that worked great!

Probably a silly question, but..

I ran S-spline and have the enlarged .PNG images now how do I make them back into a motion picture in Vegas?

Joe Sacher · December 31st, 2003, 05:34 PM

The images should be numbered as image001, image002, etc. (They are this way if you use my ExportImagesforRange at SundanceMedia). Select Import media in Vegas and when you click on the first picture, there should be a checkbox that allows you to specify import as image sequence.

John Gaspain · December 31st, 2003, 05:56 PM

ok,

this is turning out to be a bit hard in Vegas.

I cant get Vegas to go up to HD 1920x1080, it always resorts to DV 720x480, anybody know if Vegas can do HD resolutions?

Ack!

Thanks for all the help so far!

Edward Troxel · December 31st, 2003, 09:04 PM

What if you go to File - Properties and then change the video format?

To import the sequence, just go to File - Open, pick the first image file, and then check the box that says "Open still image sequence".

Federico Dib · December 31st, 2003, 10:28 PM

All right, thank you guys... It´s good to have hope at first time on the first day of the year...
And "theoritically" this replacing should work.

I´ll try replacing the original take with the MD sound... and let you know how it worked..

I really don´t need a clapboard since the begining and the end of the show uses the "Looney Tunes" song so I can easily synch that song by time... and there are many "soundmarks" in between the whole spoken words for me to visually synch the sound.

I don´t care if MD looses Synch with the original Video a few times every 15 minutes.. actually I don´t care to do it 10 or 20 times... but the edited video has almost 200 cuts.. so you know how long it will take to synch manually each slice...

I´ll post as soon as I know if this works.. thanx again for your help.

John Gaspain · December 31st, 2003, 10:54 PM

I figured it out!

I had to update to Vegas 4.0e

easy as that

Rob Lohman · January 1st, 2004, 11:26 AM

If you want to try it out, you can also download the demo version
here (look at the bottom of the page)

Federico Dib · January 1st, 2004, 07:28 PM

Ok.. it worked like a Charm...
No sync drifts, since the original clip, is actually 3 clips of about 10 minutes each... (there were intermission, bad jokes, etc. that I didn´t even capture). Now I have my almost CD quality voice..

So now I only need to put some ambience sound in it... and trick it a little to make it more "live".
Anyone knows were can I find "canned laughter"?
Should I post this last question in a new thread?
And if so, where? NOW HEAR THIS?

Glenn Chan · January 1st, 2004, 07:31 PM

You could just re-use laughter and make it louder using volume envelopes (kinda time-consuming but transparent if you do it right). You could also take clips of laughter and dump it in. Not sure if that'll sound right.

By using audio you already have you don't have to match sounds.

Glenn Chan · January 1st, 2004, 07:40 PM

Quote:

with a HT CPU, you can cut about 20% of the render time...

Actually, I did tests on this. For the render you describe, you should be getting about a 3% improvement with hyperthreading (no joke!!!). The second logical processor in a HT CPU only handles DV encoding and audio filters. On long renders it is idle most of the time.

On very short renders (i.e. 1 video filter) then hyperthreading helps a bit more.

Federico Dib · January 1st, 2004, 07:48 PM

I´ve been playing with my two tracks (MD and MIC), the Volume Envelopes, using pieces of laughs from the original and other shows, and a few other tricks..

But I don´t really like much the results I´m getting so far... and since I´m learning here... I´d like to experiment a little and compare results...

Whatever I see that gets the best effort/time-quality relation in the results will become my standard since I allready have two other comediants waiting for their video, and hopefully a few more to come.

Edward Troxel · January 1st, 2004, 08:44 PM

Good to hear you managed to get the audio switched. Good luck with the final project.

Peter Moore · January 1st, 2004, 09:29 PM

I imagine you'd get same results with real dual processors, right?

December 31st, 2003, 03:47 PM	#1803
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	that worked great! Probably a silly question, but.. I ran S-spline and have the enlarged .PNG images now how do I make them back into a motion picture in Vegas? __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

December 31st, 2003, 05:56 PM	#1805
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	ok, this is turning out to be a bit hard in Vegas. I cant get Vegas to go up to HD 1920x1080, it always resorts to DV 720x480, anybody know if Vegas can do HD resolutions? Ack! Thanks for all the help so far! __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

December 31st, 2003, 10:28 PM	#1807
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	All right, thank you guys... It´s good to have hope at first time on the first day of the year... And "theoritically" this replacing should work. I´ll try replacing the original take with the MD sound... and let you know how it worked.. I really don´t need a clapboard since the begining and the end of the show uses the "Looney Tunes" song so I can easily synch that song by time... and there are many "soundmarks" in between the whole spoken words for me to visually synch the sound. I don´t care if MD looses Synch with the original Video a few times every 15 minutes.. actually I don´t care to do it 10 or 20 times... but the edited video has almost 200 cuts.. so you know how long it will take to synch manually each slice... I´ll post as soon as I know if this works.. thanx again for your help. __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

December 31st, 2003, 10:54 PM	#1808
John Gaspain Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: WA-USA Posts: 371	I figured it out! I had to update to Vegas 4.0e easy as that __________________ The glory of the World passes by.

January 1st, 2004, 11:26 AM	#1809
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	If you want to try it out, you can also download the demo version here (look at the bottom of the page) __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

December 31st, 2003, 02:24 PM	#1801
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	You could try syncing the MD sound to your original clip, and then replace the original clip with a synced version. Obviously, back everything up before you do this. One problem you are going to have is that MD sync drifts over time. It is going to start going off after 15 minutes. One way to reasonably fix this is to sync the beginning and end, and timestretch the sound to fit. Then check sync throughout. Otherwise you are going to have to go in and sync at many points. Syncing MD and video: it would be a lot easier if you had a clapboard, but sometimes this isn't practical. Look for visual cues where an audio spike is created, like a shoe hitting the stage. Try to lip sync can drive you nuts, although you can be late by 1 frame and no one will notice (sound travels at 300m/s). Actually if it's all dialogue you may not need to try too hard.

December 31st, 2003, 03:13 PM	#1802
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Actually, Glenn, that doesn't sound like a bad idea. Federico, take the ORIGINAL video and MD audio, place them BOTH on the timeline, mute the ORIGINAL audio and then render to a NEW DV-AVI file (process should be VERY quick.) Once that is done, rename the ORIGINAL file, name the NEW file what the original WAS called, and then re-open your project! This should bring in the old video with the NEW sound!

December 31st, 2003, 05:34 PM	#1804
Joe Sacher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 177	The images should be numbered as image001, image002, etc. (They are this way if you use my ExportImagesforRange at SundanceMedia). Select Import media in Vegas and when you click on the first picture, there should be a checkbox that allows you to specify import as image sequence.

December 31st, 2003, 09:04 PM	#1806
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	What if you go to File - Properties and then change the video format? To import the sequence, just go to File - Open, pick the first image file, and then check the box that says "Open still image sequence".

January 1st, 2004, 07:28 PM	#1810
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	Ok.. it worked like a Charm... No sync drifts, since the original clip, is actually 3 clips of about 10 minutes each... (there were intermission, bad jokes, etc. that I didn´t even capture). Now I have my almost CD quality voice.. So now I only need to put some ambience sound in it... and trick it a little to make it more "live". Anyone knows were can I find "canned laughter"? Should I post this last question in a new thread? And if so, where? NOW HEAR THIS? __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

January 1st, 2004, 07:31 PM	#1811
Glenn Chan Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,750	You could just re-use laughter and make it louder using volume envelopes (kinda time-consuming but transparent if you do it right). You could also take clips of laughter and dump it in. Not sure if that'll sound right. By using audio you already have you don't have to match sounds.

January 1st, 2004, 07:48 PM	#1813
Federico Dib Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 312	I´ve been playing with my two tracks (MD and MIC), the Volume Envelopes, using pieces of laughs from the original and other shows, and a few other tricks.. But I don´t really like much the results I´m getting so far... and since I´m learning here... I´d like to experiment a little and compare results... Whatever I see that gets the best effort/time-quality relation in the results will become my standard since I allready have two other comediants waiting for their video, and hopefully a few more to come. __________________ Messenger Boy : The Thessalonian you're fighting, he's the biggest man I've ever seen. I wouldn't want to fight him. Achilles : That is why no one will remember your name.

January 1st, 2004, 08:44 PM	#1814
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Good to hear you managed to get the audio switched. Good luck with the final project.

January 1st, 2004, 09:29 PM	#1815
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	I imagine you'd get same results with real dual processors, right?