Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Rob Lohman · July 30th, 2003, 01:40 PM

It might, depending on whether you can afford it, this is the best
thing you can spend the money on and you need it [ie, you can't
live with such rendering times].

Rob Lohman · July 30th, 2003, 01:58 PM

Depends on what you want to do with the footage. But normally
I would agree with you that pal needs to be 25p, not 24p.

Rob Lohman · July 30th, 2003, 03:11 PM

Okay, some basic theory on VOB files etc.

VOB files are MPEG2 program streams. They CONTAIN multiple
ELEMENTARY streams which contain things like, audio, video,
subtitles and other special things.

That being said I think a high end authoring application will
support loading of an MPEG2 program stream (VOB) file. But,
as you've pointed out Architect among others do not. This means
the file has to be split in its elementary streams (the video and
AC3 stream in this case). This is called de-muxing. The authoring
application will then re-mux these together for final authoring.

So can you split these files WITHOUT any re-encoding or quality
loss? Yes you can.

Go to www.doom9.org site and then into the Downloads.
Then go to the end of the page into the VOB Tools section. You
will find some tools there. Try them out and tell us if it worked.

The tools should be able to get you a .M2V (video) & .AC3 (audio)
file.

Good luck!

Harry Settle · July 30th, 2003, 03:36 PM

Vegas + DVD, and Excalibur.

Vegas was already excellent, Excalibur made it way better.

Mark Monciardini · July 30th, 2003, 05:45 PM

I know how to reverse clips in Premire, just just enter "-100" in the speed option. But can anyone tell me how to do it in Vegas?

Edward Troxel · July 30th, 2003, 08:27 PM

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=12137

Insert a VELOCITY ENVELOPE into the clip you are working on, pull it all the way down to -100%

Reversing a clip is VERY easy as long as you follow one simple rule: START at the END.

Just play the timeline and then STOP where you want the reversing to begin (i.e. at the END of the clip in forward motion). Now press "S" to split this clip at that point, add the velocity envelope t0 the RIGHT clip (you can delete the left side of the split) and change the velocity to a negative value.

Don Bloom · July 30th, 2003, 09:20 PM

Every wedding I do is a 2 camera ceremony. When I switched to Vegas life got easy, when I started using Excalibur life got great.
Now if I could just get my dog to understand the basics of editing life would be simply superb ;-)
Don

Andreas Fernbrant · July 31st, 2003, 02:17 PM

Ok, I've made a huge misstake and shot some video on a cruise ship and I didn't whitebalance (stupid me) The video is a bit yellow.. How do you recommend me to correct it in post?

/Andy

Daniel Gee · July 31st, 2003, 02:59 PM

I want to do the following action, previously performed in premiere, in Vegas 4:

place a clip on one track, deinterlace that clip with the Field Order on "Lower".

Then place a copy of the original clip on a superimposed track (i'm guessing it's the track above) and deinterlace that clip with the Field Order on "Upper" and set the opacity to 50%.

Any ideas? I haven't found a deinterlace setting or filter that affects the individual clips.

Alex Knappenberger · July 31st, 2003, 03:33 PM

First off, what editing software are you using?

Andreas Fernbrant · July 31st, 2003, 03:37 PM

I'm using vegas, Although I don't think the help is software specific? I have to color correct, but are there better ways?

Alex Knappenberger · July 31st, 2003, 03:47 PM

Cool, I was hoping it was Vegas. Well, it is kind of software specific since Vegas 4.0 has more color correction tools then some other software. There's a couple ways to do this, the easiest way would be to just use the "color correction" video effect, and mess around with them, make it more blue in the mids, or whatever looks right, or you can use the "color curves" also, and just tweak them yourself, basically take out some red and give it some more blue, etc etc....

There's some more involved techniques for stuff like this that I use sometimes in Vegas, but i'd have to write up a article for that. :D

Don Bloom · July 31st, 2003, 04:40 PM

Andreas,
It is entirely software related. How else would you color correct after it has been shot?
Listen to Alex, Vegas has 2 or 3 different ways to correct the situation.
Don

Andreas Fernbrant · July 31st, 2003, 04:51 PM

I do listen to alex, he has already proven to me he knows what he talks about. I didn't mean to offend him.. What I mean by software specific was, whatever program I use I need to color correct. I know vegas is a good program for this.. I fiddled around with the colorcorrect but didn't get it as good as I liked it to be. So I thought I'd post here to get additional ideas on how to slove my problem.

I'll try once more to go about it as alex said.. Thanks!!

/Andreas

Dan Measel · July 31st, 2003, 09:30 PM

Try this. Right click on the event, scroll down to properties then check the reduce interlace flicker box.

July 30th, 2003, 01:40 PM	#661
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	It might, depending on whether you can afford it, this is the best thing you can spend the money on and you need it [ie, you can't live with such rendering times]. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 30th, 2003, 01:58 PM	#662
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Depends on what you want to do with the footage. But normally I would agree with you that pal needs to be 25p, not 24p. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 30th, 2003, 03:11 PM	#663
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Okay, some basic theory on VOB files etc. VOB files are MPEG2 program streams. They CONTAIN multiple ELEMENTARY streams which contain things like, audio, video, subtitles and other special things. That being said I think a high end authoring application will support loading of an MPEG2 program stream (VOB) file. But, as you've pointed out Architect among others do not. This means the file has to be split in its elementary streams (the video and AC3 stream in this case). This is called de-muxing. The authoring application will then re-mux these together for final authoring. So can you split these files WITHOUT any re-encoding or quality loss? Yes you can. Go to www.doom9.org site and then into the Downloads. Then go to the end of the page into the VOB Tools section. You will find some tools there. Try them out and tell us if it worked. The tools should be able to get you a .M2V (video) & .AC3 (audio) file. Good luck! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 30th, 2003, 03:36 PM	#664
Harry Settle Major Player Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Bemidji, MN Posts: 276	Vegas + DVD, and Excalibur. Vegas was already excellent, Excalibur made it way better. __________________ "DOH"!!!

July 30th, 2003, 05:45 PM	#665
Mark Monciardini Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 158	How do you reverse clips in Vegas I know how to reverse clips in Premire, just just enter "-100" in the speed option. But can anyone tell me how to do it in Vegas? __________________ Best Regards, Mark T. Monciardini Riverlight Studios www.riverlightstudios.com DVX100/Final Cut Pro 4/Mac G5 Dual 1.8

July 30th, 2003, 08:27 PM	#666
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthrea...threadid=12137 Insert a VELOCITY ENVELOPE into the clip you are working on, pull it all the way down to -100% Reversing a clip is VERY easy as long as you follow one simple rule: START at the END. Just play the timeline and then STOP where you want the reversing to begin (i.e. at the END of the clip in forward motion). Now press "S" to split this clip at that point, add the velocity envelope t0 the RIGHT clip (you can delete the left side of the split) and change the velocity to a negative value.

July 30th, 2003, 09:20 PM	#667
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Every wedding I do is a 2 camera ceremony. When I switched to Vegas life got easy, when I started using Excalibur life got great. Now if I could just get my dog to understand the basics of editing life would be simply superb ;-) Don

July 31st, 2003, 02:17 PM	#668
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	Yellow video. Ok, I've made a huge misstake and shot some video on a cruise ship and I didn't whitebalance (stupid me) The video is a bit yellow.. How do you recommend me to correct it in post? /Andy

July 31st, 2003, 02:59 PM	#669
Daniel Gee New Boot Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 14	deinterlace clips I want to do the following action, previously performed in premiere, in Vegas 4: place a clip on one track, deinterlace that clip with the Field Order on "Lower". Then place a copy of the original clip on a superimposed track (i'm guessing it's the track above) and deinterlace that clip with the Field Order on "Upper" and set the opacity to 50%. Any ideas? I haven't found a deinterlace setting or filter that affects the individual clips.

July 31st, 2003, 03:33 PM	#670
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	First off, what editing software are you using?

July 31st, 2003, 03:37 PM	#671
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	I'm using vegas, Although I don't think the help is software specific? I have to color correct, but are there better ways?

July 31st, 2003, 03:47 PM	#672
Alex Knappenberger High School Student Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Canton, Ohio, USA Posts: 609	Cool, I was hoping it was Vegas. Well, it is kind of software specific since Vegas 4.0 has more color correction tools then some other software. There's a couple ways to do this, the easiest way would be to just use the "color correction" video effect, and mess around with them, make it more blue in the mids, or whatever looks right, or you can use the "color curves" also, and just tweak them yourself, basically take out some red and give it some more blue, etc etc.... There's some more involved techniques for stuff like this that I use sometimes in Vegas, but i'd have to write up a article for that. :D

July 31st, 2003, 04:40 PM	#673
Don Bloom Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,609	Andreas, It is entirely software related. How else would you color correct after it has been shot? Listen to Alex, Vegas has 2 or 3 different ways to correct the situation. Don

July 31st, 2003, 04:51 PM	#674
Andreas Fernbrant Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden - Helsingborg Posts: 283	I do listen to alex, he has already proven to me he knows what he talks about. I didn't mean to offend him.. What I mean by software specific was, whatever program I use I need to color correct. I know vegas is a good program for this.. I fiddled around with the colorcorrect but didn't get it as good as I liked it to be. So I thought I'd post here to get additional ideas on how to slove my problem. I'll try once more to go about it as alex said.. Thanks!! /Andreas

July 31st, 2003, 09:30 PM	#675
Dan Measel Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 196	Try this. Right click on the event, scroll down to properties then check the reduce interlace flicker box.