Vegas Video discussions from 2003

Peter Jefferson · September 25th, 2003, 12:14 AM

ok heres another phenomenon...

i have a video clip running a velocity envelope of about 15%, not im getting EXTREME strobing but thats not where it ends.

When i use the same routine, but get the velocities to go to zero, sometimes i get jitter so much so that the image is filthy, this is during the freezeframe, im runnign effects like bump maps and colour change to BW as well as track motion, so the actual frame may be frozen, but the actual screen activity isnt.

any ideas on how to fix this?
Im not using 25p but im using 50i with blended fields within the render routine...

any help on this is GREATLY appreciated, and the strange thing is, it only happens sometimes, its not a consistent problem...

John Eriksson · September 25th, 2003, 12:17 AM

1.Connect a firewire board to your computer, and install the drivers.

2.Get your movies from the with the provided capture device.

3.Watch your m2t .ts movies with the VideoLAN player:
http://www.videolan.org/

4.(here comes the tricky part) Demux the clips that you want to keep using HDTVtoMPEG2 1.09.
http://www.midwinter.com/~bcooley/
http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/hdtvtompeg2.html

5.Start Sonic Foundry Vegas 4.0.

6.Choose File -> Import files/media

7.Choose the right destination, here if you can´t see the files press *.* to see all files.

8. Select the files you want, press ok.

9.Vegas ask for the mainconcept HD codec, and if you registrate the VEGAS software you will get the codec for free. I registrated and restarted VEGAS.

10. You can now edit HD in VEGAS and you can also convert it into DVD and to .avi -files for usage in after effects or combustion.
This way is a pain in the butt, so I would like to recomend Cineform Aspect HD for fast easy editing in Premiere 6.5 and PRO
Here is a link to mainconcept:
http://www.mainconcept.com/index_flash.shtml
GOOD LUCK!!
/j

Hugh DiMauro · September 25th, 2003, 06:17 AM

I don't know what I clicked, but now, every time I load clips on the timeline, the little itsy bitsy triangular markers that used to be at the top edges of the abutting clips are no longer there and the clips do not snap together. Now, before everybody calls me an imbecile and tells me to activate the snapping effect, I did that. Why can I not get those little triangles back in the upper corners of the clips that join together on the timeline? What did I accidentally do to make them disappear? The clips don't snap together any more! RATS!

Edward Troxel · September 25th, 2003, 08:17 AM

I tried to duplicate your problem and could not find a way. Even with snapping turned off, the triangles are still there. Maybe a reboot would help?

Dave Largent · September 25th, 2003, 08:21 AM

Thanks John and Barry. You put me on the right path with that codec.
The way it works is this. You are not able to import the JVC's files if you do not have the free MainConcept MPEG codec plugin.
Once you have this codec, the files go in easily. You do not automatically receive the codec when you register Vegas. The easiest way to get the codec is to drag any clip (even jpg) onto the timeline and then go into "render as" and choose MainConcept MPEG. At this point you will be prompted to register the codec. After that, you can either drag the m2t files into Vegas, or if you want to click them in, you must change the file types to [View All"."] *each time* you go in to select a new file, as the default is "All Media". You DO NOT need to change the file type to .mpg in order to import them into Vegas.
I've been experimenting with various types of compression/decompression of some m2t files posted here. I plan on taking some stills of the results. I'll get back soon.
Dave

Hugh DiMauro · September 25th, 2003, 08:53 AM

Well, in frustration, I closed the application down and didn't reboot. Also, I notice that when I connect the clips on the timeline and then separate themfor whatever reason, the edges bump inward, as if I was fading them. Is there anything wrong with my program? I don;t know if this is an issue, but the dedicated hard drive is about 1/3 full with wedding video clips.

Bruce A. Christenson · September 25th, 2003, 09:50 AM

Actually I think they need the real address on there somewhere. The problem is, this is for the Outdoors channel, and I guess the target audience is basically "dusty old prospector guys" who don't know anything about the internet.

I saw a local ad last nite that had a restaurant address in a nice white font with shadow in the lower left corner. I might give that a shot.

Edward Troxel · September 25th, 2003, 09:56 AM

I HAVE noticed times that, after overlapping which creates the dissolve, when the clips are separated the dissolve remains. This doesn't happen frequently or consistently so, if needed, I just remove the fade.

Hugh DiMauro · September 25th, 2003, 10:05 AM

okay. Thanks for the advice. By the way, I have three different projects loaded and I notice that all three now do that annoying thingy where the triangles disappear. It's funny, about a month ago the triangles were there, now they're not. It drives me bonkers when I can't figure out the cause of the quirk. Do you have an "in" with Sonic Foundry? Maybe somebody there can troubleshoot? Any help would be appreciat

Edward Troxel · September 25th, 2003, 10:43 AM

Probably the best suggestion would be to uninstall and reinstall. Or at least do a "repair" install.

Hugh DiMauro · September 25th, 2003, 11:54 AM

How do I do a "repair" install?

Edward Troxel · September 25th, 2003, 12:18 PM

You do a regular install (without uninstalling) and pick the repair option.

Hugh DiMauro · September 25th, 2003, 12:50 PM

If I remember correctly, it just has a "repair" point and click as opposed to clicking re-install? Also, will it effect any of the three finished projects I have on there now?

Hugh DiMauro · September 25th, 2003, 12:51 PM

By the way... I appreciate all your help. It's not always you get a real live wrangler giving personalized service. I'm not taking your help for granted. Thank you.

Edward Troxel · September 25th, 2003, 01:08 PM

Yes, it's a repair radio button instead of the install radio button. Your existing projects will not be touched. And thanks for the comments.

September 25th, 2003, 12:17 AM	#1157
John Eriksson Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 57	The HD edit workflow: 1.Connect a firewire board to your computer, and install the drivers. 2.Get your movies from the with the provided capture device. 3.Watch your m2t .ts movies with the VideoLAN player: http://www.videolan.org/ 4.(here comes the tricky part) Demux the clips that you want to keep using HDTVtoMPEG2 1.09. http://www.midwinter.com/~bcooley/ http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/hdtvtompeg2.html 5.Start Sonic Foundry Vegas 4.0. 6.Choose File -> Import files/media 7.Choose the right destination, here if you can´t see the files press . to see all files. 8. Select the files you want, press ok. 9.Vegas ask for the mainconcept HD codec, and if you registrate the VEGAS software you will get the codec for free. I registrated and restarted VEGAS. 10. You can now edit HD in VEGAS and you can also convert it into DVD and to .avi -files for usage in after effects or combustion. This way is a pain in the butt, so I would like to recomend Cineform Aspect HD for fast easy editing in Premiere 6.5 and PRO Here is a link to mainconcept: http://www.mainconcept.com/index_flash.shtml GOOD LUCK!! /j

September 25th, 2003, 06:17 AM	#1158
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	snapping clips I don't know what I clicked, but now, every time I load clips on the timeline, the little itsy bitsy triangular markers that used to be at the top edges of the abutting clips are no longer there and the clips do not snap together. Now, before everybody calls me an imbecile and tells me to activate the snapping effect, I did that. Why can I not get those little triangles back in the upper corners of the clips that join together on the timeline? What did I accidentally do to make them disappear? The clips don't snap together any more! RATS!

September 25th, 2003, 12:14 AM	#1156
Peter Jefferson Inner Circle Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Aus Posts: 3,884	ok heres another phenomenon... i have a video clip running a velocity envelope of about 15%, not im getting EXTREME strobing but thats not where it ends. When i use the same routine, but get the velocities to go to zero, sometimes i get jitter so much so that the image is filthy, this is during the freezeframe, im runnign effects like bump maps and colour change to BW as well as track motion, so the actual frame may be frozen, but the actual screen activity isnt. any ideas on how to fix this? Im not using 25p but im using 50i with blended fields within the render routine... any help on this is GREATLY appreciated, and the strange thing is, it only happens sometimes, its not a consistent problem...

September 25th, 2003, 08:17 AM	#1159
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I tried to duplicate your problem and could not find a way. Even with snapping turned off, the triangles are still there. Maybe a reboot would help?

September 25th, 2003, 08:21 AM	#1160
Dave Largent Trustee Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,483	Thanks John and Barry. You put me on the right path with that codec. The way it works is this. You are not able to import the JVC's files if you do not have the free MainConcept MPEG codec plugin. Once you have this codec, the files go in easily. You do not automatically receive the codec when you register Vegas. The easiest way to get the codec is to drag any clip (even jpg) onto the timeline and then go into "render as" and choose MainConcept MPEG. At this point you will be prompted to register the codec. After that, you can either drag the m2t files into Vegas, or if you want to click them in, you must change the file types to [View All"."] each time you go in to select a new file, as the default is "All Media". You DO NOT need to change the file type to .mpg in order to import them into Vegas. I've been experimenting with various types of compression/decompression of some m2t files posted here. I plan on taking some stills of the results. I'll get back soon. Dave

September 25th, 2003, 08:53 AM	#1161
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	Well, in frustration, I closed the application down and didn't reboot. Also, I notice that when I connect the clips on the timeline and then separate themfor whatever reason, the edges bump inward, as if I was fading them. Is there anything wrong with my program? I don;t know if this is an issue, but the dedicated hard drive is about 1/3 full with wedding video clips.

September 25th, 2003, 09:50 AM	#1162
Bruce A. Christenson Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Forest Grove, OR Posts: 122	Actually I think they need the real address on there somewhere. The problem is, this is for the Outdoors channel, and I guess the target audience is basically "dusty old prospector guys" who don't know anything about the internet. I saw a local ad last nite that had a restaurant address in a nice white font with shadow in the lower left corner. I might give that a shot.

September 25th, 2003, 09:56 AM	#1163
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I HAVE noticed times that, after overlapping which creates the dissolve, when the clips are separated the dissolve remains. This doesn't happen frequently or consistently so, if needed, I just remove the fade.

September 25th, 2003, 10:05 AM	#1164
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	okay. Thanks for the advice. By the way, I have three different projects loaded and I notice that all three now do that annoying thingy where the triangles disappear. It's funny, about a month ago the triangles were there, now they're not. It drives me bonkers when I can't figure out the cause of the quirk. Do you have an "in" with Sonic Foundry? Maybe somebody there can troubleshoot? Any help would be appreciat

September 25th, 2003, 10:43 AM	#1165
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Probably the best suggestion would be to uninstall and reinstall. Or at least do a "repair" install.

September 25th, 2003, 11:54 AM	#1166
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	How do I do a "repair" install?

September 25th, 2003, 12:18 PM	#1167
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	You do a regular install (without uninstalling) and pick the repair option.

September 25th, 2003, 12:50 PM	#1168
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	If I remember correctly, it just has a "repair" point and click as opposed to clicking re-install? Also, will it effect any of the three finished projects I have on there now?

September 25th, 2003, 12:51 PM	#1169
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,205	By the way... I appreciate all your help. It's not always you get a real live wrangler giving personalized service. I'm not taking your help for granted. Thank you.

September 25th, 2003, 01:08 PM	#1170
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Yes, it's a repair radio button instead of the install radio button. Your existing projects will not be touched. And thanks for the comments.