Vegas Video discussions from 2002

Zac Stein · September 20th, 2002, 09:02 AM

from what i can understand, this type of action you ar describing should really be done in a compositer...

That is what they are made for, whilst doing these in a video editing program may work it will not give you the flexability and advtanges of full control.

Adobe after effects is a great and simple one to use, if you are more inclined combustion works well too.

If you have a spare $18,000 apples 'shake' for pc and (s)mac(k)
is about the best you can get.

kermie

Bill Ravens · September 20th, 2002, 09:15 AM

Kermie...

You're apparently not experienced with the latest technology. Vegas Video is a sign of things to come. No more hassles with the kind of problems associated with Adobe. Sure, if you can afford a mega-buck compositing program, go for it. If not Vegas Video is the best solution on the market. The compositing features of VV3 are unbeatably easy. I used to use premiere and AE, but, nevr again. They cost too much and are too difficult to use. Just my opinion.

Don Donatello · September 20th, 2002, 10:45 AM

1) use the pan/crop to select the area that you want in the final framing (don't worry about the size just the area you want to select) .
you might have to unlock aspect ratio ( maybe not) ...

2) now use the TRACK MOTION to set the image SIZE and where you want place it in the frame (you might have to unlock aspect ratio )
track motion will also allow you to move it across the frame by setting keyframes. so the image can move from left to right etc
in track motion you grab the darken area and move it LEFT till the image is not longer on the screen ( set key frame - there's a small time line in the track motion window) ) - now move darken area to right and the image will move screen right ( set key frame ) ... how fast -slow you want it to move will depend on how much time is between the 2 key frames.

if you want this clip to be on top of another clip then it will be the 1st Video track

this method will give you a basic square/rectangle type outline around subject ... if you want to attempt a outline around person then !! you'll have to try creating a matt or high contrast outline.

Edward Troxel · September 20th, 2002, 12:58 PM

I agree with donatello. You have to use BOTH controls: Event Pan/Crop for cropping and Track Motion for sizing/movement. Vegas is very powerful once you understand how it works.

Also, look at keyframes so you can make things move/grow/shrink. The manual covers Pan/Crop, Track Motion, and keyframes very well.

Josh Bass · September 20th, 2002, 04:00 PM

All right sirs. . .I see. I assumed track motion had to do with an entire track of video or audio. I will try this new formula. Thanks for the help.

goldenfleece · September 23rd, 2002, 11:34 AM

I have the Vegas plugin which lets you use film grain effects. Is there a plugin for VEgas which gives you the simulated dust particles and scratches on old film? Of what software would I need for such a plugin.

I also have Premiere 6 but no After Effects, so does this rule out the CINELOOK option, if that has such a feature. Also got PINNACLE STUDIO 7, but no plugins.

Josh Bass · September 23rd, 2002, 12:38 PM

My copy of Vegas Video has "Sonic Foundry Film effects." You can tint the film, select how much of the "particles" you want, and the type of particle (hair, scratches, grain, dust, etc.). If you wanted both grain and scratches, you can just add the effect to your clip(s) twice.

Eric Richmond · September 23rd, 2002, 02:41 PM

I'm with Josh. My film plugin has all those abilities and more

Edward Troxel · September 23rd, 2002, 02:50 PM

Agreed, all of the effects are there - just not necessarily apparent at first. Play around with the control and you will find the additional options. Also, read the help file concerning that control. The options you want are there. You just have to find them.

Edward Troxel · September 23rd, 2002, 02:53 PM

Track Motion DOES affect the entire track. However, you can fine tune sections by using keyframes. Track Motion is a very powerful feature but you MUST use keyframes to get that power. If all you wanted was a pip in a small area, you could get by without keyframes. Otherwise, you need keyframes to reach the full power of Track Motion. BUT, You DO have to be careful when you have multiple clips on a single track when you use Track Motion.

Josh Bass · September 23rd, 2002, 05:39 PM

Yeah, I tried it right after my last post. I'll tweak it when it's time to output. Thanks for the advice.

goldenfleece · September 24th, 2002, 03:32 AM

Yes I have found the film effects plugin now. It was well concealed! Very good feature indeed. Many thanks, just what I wanted. Looks quite convincing as well....

Josh Bass · September 24th, 2002, 03:41 AM

Also might want to play with color balance/color curves, as well as brightness and contrast.

Josh Bass · September 28th, 2002, 01:10 AM

I don't really know about this stuff, so bear with me. In Vegas Video 3, under the general preferences, there is an option to "strictly adhere to AVI2 specifications." On, I believe, all of my projects, this box is not checked. What does that mean, exactly. If I go into one of these projects and check the box, will anything change, or do I have to do this before I start capturing footage?

The reason I ask is because there is a program called virtual dub that de-interlaces, among other things, but it won't work with AVI files, only AVI2 (several others, but AVI2 is what I'm concerned with).

I'd like to try it out, and I want to know if I need to recapature footage with that AVI2 preference activated, or what.

Edward Troxel · September 29th, 2002, 01:40 PM

I believe that setting ONLY affects RENDERED avi's - not captured. Do the captured avi's work with VirtualDub? I have never used VirtualDub as Vegas does everything I need - including de-interlacing.

September 20th, 2002, 09:02 AM	#76
Zac Stein Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 730	compositer... from what i can understand, this type of action you ar describing should really be done in a compositer... That is what they are made for, whilst doing these in a video editing program may work it will not give you the flexability and advtanges of full control. Adobe after effects is a great and simple one to use, if you are more inclined combustion works well too. If you have a spare $18,000 apples 'shake' for pc and (s)mac(k) is about the best you can get. kermie

September 20th, 2002, 04:00 PM	#80
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	All right sirs. . .I see. I assumed track motion had to do with an entire track of video or audio. I will try this new formula. Thanks for the help. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 23rd, 2002, 11:34 AM	#81
goldenfleece New Boot Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: sheffield Posts: 22	film effects in Vegas Video I have the Vegas plugin which lets you use film grain effects. Is there a plugin for VEgas which gives you the simulated dust particles and scratches on old film? Of what software would I need for such a plugin. I also have Premiere 6 but no After Effects, so does this rule out the CINELOOK option, if that has such a feature. Also got PINNACLE STUDIO 7, but no plugins.

September 23rd, 2002, 12:38 PM	#82
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	My copy of Vegas Video has "Sonic Foundry Film effects." You can tint the film, select how much of the "particles" you want, and the type of particle (hair, scratches, grain, dust, etc.). If you wanted both grain and scratches, you can just add the effect to your clip(s) twice. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 23rd, 2002, 05:39 PM	#86
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Yeah, I tried it right after my last post. I'll tweak it when it's time to output. Thanks for the advice. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 20th, 2002, 09:15 AM	#77
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	Kermie... You're apparently not experienced with the latest technology. Vegas Video is a sign of things to come. No more hassles with the kind of problems associated with Adobe. Sure, if you can afford a mega-buck compositing program, go for it. If not Vegas Video is the best solution on the market. The compositing features of VV3 are unbeatably easy. I used to use premiere and AE, but, nevr again. They cost too much and are too difficult to use. Just my opinion.

September 20th, 2002, 10:45 AM	#78
Don Donatello Hawaiian Shirt Mogul Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: northern cailfornia Posts: 1,261	1) use the pan/crop to select the area that you want in the final framing (don't worry about the size just the area you want to select) . you might have to unlock aspect ratio ( maybe not) ... 2) now use the TRACK MOTION to set the image SIZE and where you want place it in the frame (you might have to unlock aspect ratio ) track motion will also allow you to move it across the frame by setting keyframes. so the image can move from left to right etc in track motion you grab the darken area and move it LEFT till the image is not longer on the screen ( set key frame - there's a small time line in the track motion window) ) - now move darken area to right and the image will move screen right ( set key frame ) ... how fast -slow you want it to move will depend on how much time is between the 2 key frames. if you want this clip to be on top of another clip then it will be the 1st Video track this method will give you a basic square/rectangle type outline around subject ... if you want to attempt a outline around person then !! you'll have to try creating a matt or high contrast outline.

September 20th, 2002, 12:58 PM	#79
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I agree with donatello. You have to use BOTH controls: Event Pan/Crop for cropping and Track Motion for sizing/movement. Vegas is very powerful once you understand how it works. Also, look at keyframes so you can make things move/grow/shrink. The manual covers Pan/Crop, Track Motion, and keyframes very well.

September 23rd, 2002, 02:41 PM	#83
Eric Richmond Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 42	I'm with Josh. My film plugin has all those abilities and more

September 23rd, 2002, 02:50 PM	#84
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Agreed, all of the effects are there - just not necessarily apparent at first. Play around with the control and you will find the additional options. Also, read the help file concerning that control. The options you want are there. You just have to find them.

September 23rd, 2002, 02:53 PM	#85
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Track Motion DOES affect the entire track. However, you can fine tune sections by using keyframes. Track Motion is a very powerful feature but you MUST use keyframes to get that power. If all you wanted was a pip in a small area, you could get by without keyframes. Otherwise, you need keyframes to reach the full power of Track Motion. BUT, You DO have to be careful when you have multiple clips on a single track when you use Track Motion.

September 24th, 2002, 03:32 AM	#87
goldenfleece New Boot Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: sheffield Posts: 22	effects Yes I have found the film effects plugin now. It was well concealed! Very good feature indeed. Many thanks, just what I wanted. Looks quite convincing as well....

September 24th, 2002, 03:41 AM	#88
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Also might want to play with color balance/color curves, as well as brightness and contrast. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 28th, 2002, 01:10 AM	#89
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	AVI2 and Vegas Video and Virtual Dub I don't really know about this stuff, so bear with me. In Vegas Video 3, under the general preferences, there is an option to "strictly adhere to AVI2 specifications." On, I believe, all of my projects, this box is not checked. What does that mean, exactly. If I go into one of these projects and check the box, will anything change, or do I have to do this before I start capturing footage? The reason I ask is because there is a program called virtual dub that de-interlaces, among other things, but it won't work with AVI files, only AVI2 (several others, but AVI2 is what I'm concerned with). I'd like to try it out, and I want to know if I need to recapature footage with that AVI2 preference activated, or what. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

September 29th, 2002, 01:40 PM	#90
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	I believe that setting ONLY affects RENDERED avi's - not captured. Do the captured avi's work with VirtualDub? I have never used VirtualDub as Vegas does everything I need - including de-interlacing.