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Chris Sigmon · May 19th, 2006, 09:38 AM

I figure there may be a simple answer to this but so far it hasn't hit me. I have a engagement story highlight video created using an inexpensive Pinnacle system (don't know that that's important), and created as a dvd with no menus. I want to be able to pull this into Vegas so that I can chop it up and use portions in a new video I'm doing for a rehearsal dinner. The content is all original so there's no copyright woes.

I've looked at the DVD's file structure... there's noting as simple as a mpg2 file on there that I can copy to my VEGAS editing computer. I looked at import, but there doesn't seem to be a file that is recognized.

I know I could play the dvd on a dvd player and capture to my system through my A/D converter, but I don't want to leave the digital domain if I can help it.

Anybody out there done this before... am I missing something really obvious??

Chris

Emre Safak · May 19th, 2006, 09:42 AM

Use a DVD ripper, followed by DGIndex

Chris Sigmon · May 19th, 2006, 10:17 AM

Thanks Emre.... I'll give it a "rip".....

Oooo... sorry for that..... LOL

Chris

John C. Chu · May 19th, 2006, 10:36 AM

From a previous experience trying to edit some video from one of them DVD camcorders...

All that conversion and re-encoding to something your NLE can edit--will take a bunch of time depending on your computer and amount of footage to be processed.

You might just hook the output of the DVD player into your DV camcorder and do a A-D conversion in real time.

Yeah, there might be some quality degradation--but it should be "good enough".

Mike Kujbida · May 19th, 2006, 10:42 AM

If you have at least Vegas 6.0c (it's currently at 6.0d), it's simply File - Import - DVD Camcorder disc.

Mike

Roger Rosales · May 19th, 2006, 12:26 PM

Emre, is there a plug-in to import avs files into Vegas? I've tried Debugmode frameserving, but it wouldn't work.

(www.debugmode.com)

I personally would not encode a DVD rip through DGIndex. I would create a D2V file and run that through VirtualDubMod.

All in all, I'm trying to avoid having to do any encoding of any kind. I use to be able to edit DVD's directly with Premiere through an AVS plugin, but now that I've done the switch, the plugin I mentioned doesn't work for me.

Chris Barcellos · May 19th, 2006, 01:29 PM

The Pinnacle file created is just a .vob file, that can be converted to .avi type file with free or commercially available transcoding software. Search on Google for vob to avi file conversion programs. I say .avi because it will be easier to edit in than an .mpg file.

Phillip Jackson · May 22nd, 2006, 04:33 PM

With Vegas 6 just copy the .vob files from the dvd and then drag them into the timeline.

it may be a little slow and playback won't be too great but its fine for a rough cut then render out to an intermediate file for the final cut

Roger Rosales · May 23rd, 2006, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip Jackson

With Vegas 6 just copy the .vob files from the dvd and then drag them into the timeline.

it may be a little slow and playback won't be too great but its fine for a rough cut then render out to an intermediate file for the final cut

Editing directly with vob's is not at all frame accurate. At least from my experience.

David Jimerson · May 23rd, 2006, 03:06 PM

You can get them on the timeline and then render out to AVI for happier editing.

But depending on what you ultimately want to do with them, it might not be necessary. I recently pulled stuff off an old DVD I did with the intention of creating 320x240 WMV files; there was no need to go to anything else for that.

Phillip Jackson · May 23rd, 2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roger Rosales

Editing directly with vob's is not at all frame accurate. At least from my experience.

Yeah true, but its good enough to grab a rough cut without wasteing time converting the whole vob file :)

Oh yeah and Vegas will only see the audio if its PCM. if its AC3 or something else you'd need to convert the audio first :)

Emre Safak · May 23rd, 2006, 10:23 PM

Roger: I have not been able to import AVS files into Vegas; I just installed Debugmode to try.

After my experience with lossless codecs, I would shy away from using frameserved on the timeline; it would bogs things down (at least on my 3GHz Pentium). I only use DV now. I know it is lossy, but I think one generation isn't going to kill me.

David Jimerson · May 23rd, 2006, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip Jackson

Oh yeah and Vegas will only see the audio if its PCM. if its AC3 or something else you'd need to convert the audio first :)

No longer true as of Vegas 6.0c.

Phillip Jackson · May 23rd, 2006, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Jimerson

No longer true as of Vegas 6.0c.

Oh cool, i must get the update then :)

Roger Rosales · May 26th, 2006, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phillip Jackson

Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Rosales
Editing directly with vob's is not at all frame accurate. At least from my experience.

Yeah true, but its good enough to grab a rough cut without wasteing time converting the whole vob file :)

What good will that do if you *think* you're making a cut at frame 204, but in reality, it's 206? Again, I don't know how well Vegas handles it, but when I was on premiere.......fugetaboutit.

I've never found it usefull to converting vob files, which is why I always frameserved. This is of course using Premiere. That is one aspect of Premiere I REALLY miss.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emre Safak

After my experience with lossless codecs, I would shy away from using frameserved on the timeline; it would bogs things down (at least on my 3GHz Pentium). I only use DV now. I know it is lossy, but I think one generation isn't going to kill me.

My experience with frameservingg has been nothing but great using avisynth and DGIndex. This is of course using Premiere 6.5 and Pro. Spot on accuracy and absolutely no boggyness on my 1GHz machine. I loved it and I miss it. When working with 29.97 DVD's I always frameserve to premiere and edit with it.

huffYUV is my second choice and DV is my third =). I've never had a problem editing with lossless codecs.

May 19th, 2006, 09:38 AM	#1
Chris Sigmon Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 26	Loading a video from DVD I figure there may be a simple answer to this but so far it hasn't hit me. I have a engagement story highlight video created using an inexpensive Pinnacle system (don't know that that's important), and created as a dvd with no menus. I want to be able to pull this into Vegas so that I can chop it up and use portions in a new video I'm doing for a rehearsal dinner. The content is all original so there's no copyright woes. I've looked at the DVD's file structure... there's noting as simple as a mpg2 file on there that I can copy to my VEGAS editing computer. I looked at import, but there doesn't seem to be a file that is recognized. I know I could play the dvd on a dvd player and capture to my system through my A/D converter, but I don't want to leave the digital domain if I can help it. Anybody out there done this before... am I missing something really obvious?? Chris

May 19th, 2006, 01:29 PM	#7
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	The Pinnacle file created is just a .vob file, that can be converted to .avi type file with free or commercially available transcoding software. Search on Google for vob to avi file conversion programs. I say .avi because it will be easier to edit in than an .mpg file. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

May 23rd, 2006, 03:06 PM	#10
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	You can get them on the timeline and then render out to AVI for happier editing. But depending on what you ultimately want to do with them, it might not be necessary. I recently pulled stuff off an old DVD I did with the intention of creating 320x240 WMV files; there was no need to go to anything else for that. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

May 19th, 2006, 09:42 AM	#2
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Use a DVD ripper, followed by DGIndex

May 19th, 2006, 10:17 AM	#3
Chris Sigmon Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Spartanburg, SC Posts: 26	Thanks Emre.... I'll give it a "rip"..... Oooo... sorry for that..... LOL Chris

May 19th, 2006, 10:36 AM	#4
John C. Chu Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Rego Park , NYC Posts: 665	From a previous experience trying to edit some video from one of them DVD camcorders... All that conversion and re-encoding to something your NLE can edit--will take a bunch of time depending on your computer and amount of footage to be processed. You might just hook the output of the DVD player into your DV camcorder and do a A-D conversion in real time. Yeah, there might be some quality degradation--but it should be "good enough".

May 19th, 2006, 10:42 AM	#5
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	If you have at least Vegas 6.0c (it's currently at 6.0d), it's simply File - Import - DVD Camcorder disc. Mike

May 19th, 2006, 12:26 PM	#6
Roger Rosales Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 254	Emre, is there a plug-in to import avs files into Vegas? I've tried Debugmode frameserving, but it wouldn't work. (www.debugmode.com) I personally would not encode a DVD rip through DGIndex. I would create a D2V file and run that through VirtualDubMod. All in all, I'm trying to avoid having to do any encoding of any kind. I use to be able to edit DVD's directly with Premiere through an AVS plugin, but now that I've done the switch, the plugin I mentioned doesn't work for me.

May 22nd, 2006, 04:33 PM	#8
Phillip Jackson Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 56	With Vegas 6 just copy the .vob files from the dvd and then drag them into the timeline. it may be a little slow and playback won't be too great but its fine for a rough cut then render out to an intermediate file for the final cut

May 23rd, 2006, 10:23 PM	#12
Emre Safak Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brookline, MA Posts: 1,447	Roger: I have not been able to import AVS files into Vegas; I just installed Debugmode to try. After my experience with lossless codecs, I would shy away from using frameserved on the timeline; it would bogs things down (at least on my 3GHz Pentium). I only use DV now. I know it is lossy, but I think one generation isn't going to kill me.