DVC30 widescreen capture in Vegas at DVinfo.net

Richard Smith · July 9th, 2006, 08:22 PM

Ok I'll try to explain my situation as best as possible. This morning I had my first video shoot for an exercise video. I'm working with a Panasonic DVC30 and vegas 6.0. Well, I filmed todays footage with the setting on fake 16:9 (letterbox). Everything turned out great, however I captured the video and started to play with the software and rendered a small portion of the video, well after It rendered the wide screen (fake 16:9) effect was looking a little distorted, and It almost seemed like everything was stretched In the end .avi rendered file. I tried re-rendering under the widescreen NTSC template but there is no noticable difference.

Let me try to clear that up a bit - When I view previews of the letterbox 16:9 shots they look perfect in the preview window on vegas, but after being rendered and viewed in windows media player, they no longer appear wide.

Now, this was only one day of shoots, should I go back and reshoot everything in 4:3? or is there a way to modify my footage I shot today back to 4:3??

Also, when I burn this to dvd will it re-expand the widescreen effect?

Our next shoot is this wednesday and I basically just need to know what aspect ratio I need to shoot at. I love the look of the widescreen but after being rendered the video just looks semi-distorted. I researched this as much as I could before I posted but couldn't find an exact answer

Thanks a lot guys. Sorry for the double post, I posted this in the vegas subforum as well for additional feedback, hope that is in compliance with board rules.

David Jimerson · July 9th, 2006, 08:25 PM

This kind of thing is typically a Windows Media Player issue.

If the footage is letterboxed and you didn't crop out the black bars, then export as 4:3. If you DID crop out the black bars, you can export as 16:9.

Which did you do?

Richard Smith · July 9th, 2006, 08:32 PM

Thanks for the reply. I didn't crop out the black bars and I exported in both 4:3 and 16:9. They both appeared a little distorted

David Jimerson · July 9th, 2006, 08:36 PM

Don't export as 16:9, and don't work in a widescreen project. The footage you have is 4:3, not 16:9.

WMP seems to have a subroutine which identifies the black bars and interprets the footage as anamorphic, so it displays it at the incorrect aspect ratio. It's kind of hit or miss; sometimes it does it; sometimes it doesn't.

If you export as 4:3 and make a 4:3 DVD, it will be fine on the TV. It won't be able to be displayed as anamorphic on a widescreen TV, but most players or TVs these days allow for zooming in.

Chris Hurd · July 9th, 2006, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richard Smith

Sorry for the double post... hope that is in compliance with board rules.

Well no, it ain't in compliance... guess I'll have to dust off our "no crossposting" announcement again.

Richard Smith · July 9th, 2006, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Jimerson

Don't export as 16:9, and don't work in a widescreen project. The footage you have is 4:3, not 16:9.

WMP seems to have a subroutine which identifies the black bars and interprets the footage as anamorphic, so it displays it at the incorrect aspect ratio. It's kind of hit or miss; sometimes it does it; sometimes it doesn't.

If you export as 4:3 and make a 4:3 DVD, it will be fine on the TV. It won't be able to be displayed as anamorphic on a widescreen TV, but most players or TVs these days allow for zooming in.

thanks a ton for your help buddy I appreciate it. You partially solved my problem. Now when It renders It appears as the correct aspect ratio in windows media player, but It looks like the video has horizonal lines when action occurs. Any ideas as to what that could be? Thanks for your time.

Richard Smith · July 10th, 2006, 08:47 PM

bump^ any ideas about the now occuring lines?

David Jimerson · July 10th, 2006, 08:49 PM

If you shot normal video (60i), that's interlacing. It's normal. It shows on progressive displays like computer screens, but it doesn't show on standard TVs.

Guy Bruner · July 11th, 2006, 06:32 AM

Richard,
Do yourself a favor and don't shoot in Cinema mode (4:3 with black bars). Use the widescreen (squeeze) mode and your editing will be much easier. You will have better PQ in widescreen mode than if you shoot Cinema and crop out the black bars.

Richard Smith · July 11th, 2006, 10:17 PM

Thanks for your help guys.

David Jimerson · July 12th, 2006, 07:08 AM

Shooting full-frame and then cropping to 16:9 in post, using Vegas, gives you identical quality to shooting squeeze, and also gives you the option of reframing your shot in post, adding a camera tilt which wasn't in the original, etc.. You're fine either way, but at the same quality, why not retain the options?

July 9th, 2006, 08:22 PM	#1
Richard Smith New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 16	DVC30 widescreen capture in Vegas Ok I'll try to explain my situation as best as possible. This morning I had my first video shoot for an exercise video. I'm working with a Panasonic DVC30 and vegas 6.0. Well, I filmed todays footage with the setting on fake 16:9 (letterbox). Everything turned out great, however I captured the video and started to play with the software and rendered a small portion of the video, well after It rendered the wide screen (fake 16:9) effect was looking a little distorted, and It almost seemed like everything was stretched In the end .avi rendered file. I tried re-rendering under the widescreen NTSC template but there is no noticable difference. Let me try to clear that up a bit - When I view previews of the letterbox 16:9 shots they look perfect in the preview window on vegas, but after being rendered and viewed in windows media player, they no longer appear wide. Now, this was only one day of shoots, should I go back and reshoot everything in 4:3? or is there a way to modify my footage I shot today back to 4:3?? Also, when I burn this to dvd will it re-expand the widescreen effect? Our next shoot is this wednesday and I basically just need to know what aspect ratio I need to shoot at. I love the look of the widescreen but after being rendered the video just looks semi-distorted. I researched this as much as I could before I posted but couldn't find an exact answer Thanks a lot guys. Sorry for the double post, I posted this in the vegas subforum as well for additional feedback, hope that is in compliance with board rules.

July 9th, 2006, 08:25 PM	#2
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	This kind of thing is typically a Windows Media Player issue. If the footage is letterboxed and you didn't crop out the black bars, then export as 4:3. If you DID crop out the black bars, you can export as 16:9. Which did you do? __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

July 9th, 2006, 08:36 PM	#4
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Don't export as 16:9, and don't work in a widescreen project. The footage you have is 4:3, not 16:9. WMP seems to have a subroutine which identifies the black bars and interprets the footage as anamorphic, so it displays it at the incorrect aspect ratio. It's kind of hit or miss; sometimes it does it; sometimes it doesn't. If you export as 4:3 and make a 4:3 DVD, it will be fine on the TV. It won't be able to be displayed as anamorphic on a widescreen TV, but most players or TVs these days allow for zooming in. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

July 10th, 2006, 08:49 PM	#8
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	If you shot normal video (60i), that's interlacing. It's normal. It shows on progressive displays like computer screens, but it doesn't show on standard TVs. __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

July 12th, 2006, 07:08 AM	#11
David Jimerson Jubal 28 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wilmington, NC Posts: 872	Shooting full-frame and then cropping to 16:9 in post, using Vegas, gives you identical quality to shooting squeeze, and also gives you the option of reframing your shot in post, adding a camera tilt which wasn't in the original, etc.. You're fine either way, but at the same quality, why not retain the options? __________________ www.wrightsvillebeachstudios.com

July 9th, 2006, 08:32 PM	#3
Richard Smith New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 16	Thanks for the reply. I didn't crop out the black bars and I exported in both 4:3 and 16:9. They both appeared a little distorted

July 10th, 2006, 08:47 PM	#7
Richard Smith New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 16	bump^ any ideas about the now occuring lines?

July 11th, 2006, 06:32 AM	#9
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Richard, Do yourself a favor and don't shoot in Cinema mode (4:3 with black bars). Use the widescreen (squeeze) mode and your editing will be much easier. You will have better PQ in widescreen mode than if you shoot Cinema and crop out the black bars.

July 11th, 2006, 10:17 PM	#10
Richard Smith New Boot Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tampa, Fl Posts: 16	Thanks for your help guys.

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