Best computer for HD & Vegas?

Glen Elliott · August 3rd, 2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Davis

You'll never get me to come over completely to the dark side of the force...........[Insert Darth Sound] :}

That's what I said. lol

Kevin Richard · August 3rd, 2006, 07:03 PM

I use both and I can't see any thing significantly better in one or the other except sound... Vegas owns FCP when it comes to processing sound... all my vst and directx tools are right there... I actually pull all my audio into my pc to process it if I'm doing a project on FCP.

Steven Davis · August 3rd, 2006, 07:07 PM

Well I was reading I think where DSE and some others were saying they get a pc/laptop off the shelf to edit with, this may save me some $$$.

I imagine that I would edit off a external drive because weddings are typically 90gig plus, so hard drive space might not be that much of deal, I don't know. Why don't they just make one laptop and shove it down our throats!

Glen Elliott · August 3rd, 2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Richard

I use both and I can't see any thing significantly better in one or the other except sound... Vegas owns FCP when it comes to processing sound... all my vst and directx tools are right there... I actually pull all my audio into my pc to process it if I'm doing a project on FCP.

I use both and see HUGE advantages and disadvantages. Some where Vegas prevails and others where FCP does. Overall I feel the workflow in FCP is cleaner and more organized.

Vegas's audio processing ability smokes FCP but that's what soundtrack is for. I've used both Soundforge and Sountrack and I like Soundtrack considerably more.

One of the largest strengths it has is it's power as a suite. FCP, DVDSP (which smokes DVDA btw), Motion, Soundtrack, and LiveType make a very powerful toolset which integrate very well with "round-tripping" between apps.

People can argue till they are blue in the face however the fact remains that the both of them are simply "tools". Tools enabling us to work creatively. At this time I just feel that FCP Studio has considerably more tools to offer than Vegas+DVD.

Kevin Richard · August 3rd, 2006, 09:00 PM

You are right, I forgot about LiveType... i would kill to have LiveType in Vegas... Maybe I'm just really used to SF, WaveLab, Cubase, Sonar... ok any windows audio app you put infront of me I'll have down in a few seconds... not true with a mac one... they just don't jive with me... Plus I don't have to go into SF that often as Vegas can usually get the job done right there on the timeline... FCP would struggle to accomplish what Vegas can do so easily as it's the same tools and layout as SF/Acid.

Oh, I didn't mean one didn't shine in some places than others... just meant overall it's a draw... to me the workflow is more logical in Vegas than FCP... I look in the manual a lot in FCP, not so much in Vegas.

Guess, different strokes for different folks.

Jason Robinson · August 3rd, 2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Steven Davis

Well I was reading I think where DSE and some others were saying they get a pc/laptop off the shelf to edit with, this may save me some $$$.

I imagine that I would edit off a external drive because weddings are typically 90gig plus, so hard drive space might not be that much of deal, I don't know. Why don't they just make one laptop and shove it down our throats!

Video editing is not beyond a "laptop" assuming you are willing to accept a masive laptop (aka mobile desktop). My Alienware MJ11-7700 has 150GB of space, just enough for a single project at a time as well as all my renders from previous projects (to show clients) and my music library.

jason

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 3rd, 2006, 11:29 PM

Just today, Spot got a new VAIO FE960PB laptop. It's a screamer, and I'm editing HDV on it already, using an external drive, plus the 160GB internal.
So far, loving it. I love my MacBookPro too, but I'll be traveling with the VAIO extensively over the next 5 months.
And if TSA drops it or anything else happens to it, I can just run to a CrapUSA and buy another one, swap out the drive, and I'm good to go.

Ken Diewert · August 4th, 2006, 02:23 AM

Spot,

Is this it? The FE690PB? $1700. Dual core 1.83Ghz, Did you upgrade to 2gb ram?

http://www.learningcenter.sony.us/as...cle/specs.html

Ken Diewert · August 4th, 2006, 04:53 PM

Bump.

For Spot

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 4th, 2006, 05:09 PM

That's the one...
Sorry, I stopped subscribing to the thread, it turned into a Mac/PC thread and those got old a few years ago. ;-)

Kevin Richard · August 4th, 2006, 05:15 PM

At least we kept it civil and informative... got to give us that much :p

Steven Davis · August 4th, 2006, 07:36 PM

Thanks Douglas for the reply, I'm researching a mobile machine. Thanks for the info.

David Delaney · August 5th, 2006, 08:58 AM

IS dual core the way to go?

Greg Watts · August 5th, 2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by David Delaney

IS dual core the way to go?

Dual core is essential. It's the area of greatest impact for HDV editing. I just went from an Athlon 64 3400+ to an X2 3800 running at 2.2Ghz (OC'd) and I'm seeing a significant improvement in render times. 30-50% faster depending on project settings.

Jason Robinson · August 5th, 2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Watts

Dual core is essential. It's the area of greatest impact for HDV editing. I just went from an Athlon 64 3400+ to an X2 3800 running at 2.2Ghz (OC'd) and I'm seeing a significant improvement in render times. 30-50% faster depending on project settings.

Dual core is essential because compressing video is almost entirely CPU to RAM limited. The bottle neck is how fast your CPU can getthe data from RAM and then run the millions of calculations needed to compress the video, combine pictures for fades, etc.

HD might also require a bit faster hard disk (for example, not the internal 4200RPM drives) like any 7200RPM or even a scsi 10K for some real fun.

jason

August 3rd, 2006, 07:07 PM	#33
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Well I was reading I think where DSE and some others were saying they get a pc/laptop off the shelf to edit with, this may save me some $$$. I imagine that I would edit off a external drive because weddings are typically 90gig plus, so hard drive space might not be that much of deal, I don't know. Why don't they just make one laptop and shove it down our throats! __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

August 3rd, 2006, 11:29 PM	#37
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Just today, Spot got a new VAIO FE960PB laptop. It's a screamer, and I'm editing HDV on it already, using an external drive, plus the 160GB internal. So far, loving it. I love my MacBookPro too, but I'll be traveling with the VAIO extensively over the next 5 months. And if TSA drops it or anything else happens to it, I can just run to a CrapUSA and buy another one, swap out the drive, and I'm good to go. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

August 4th, 2006, 02:23 AM	#38
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Spot, Is this it? The FE690PB? $1700. Dual core 1.83Ghz, Did you upgrade to 2gb ram? http://www.learningcenter.sony.us/as...cle/specs.html __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

August 4th, 2006, 04:53 PM	#39
Ken Diewert Trustee Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Vancouver Island, Canada Posts: 1,200	Bump - for DSE Bump. For Spot __________________ C100, 5DMk2, FCPX

August 4th, 2006, 05:09 PM	#40
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	That's the one... Sorry, I stopped subscribing to the thread, it turned into a Mac/PC thread and those got old a few years ago. ;-) __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

August 3rd, 2006, 07:03 PM	#32
Kevin Richard Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 270	I use both and I can't see any thing significantly better in one or the other except sound... Vegas owns FCP when it comes to processing sound... all my vst and directx tools are right there... I actually pull all my audio into my pc to process it if I'm doing a project on FCP.

August 3rd, 2006, 09:00 PM	#35
Kevin Richard Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 270	You are right, I forgot about LiveType... i would kill to have LiveType in Vegas... Maybe I'm just really used to SF, WaveLab, Cubase, Sonar... ok any windows audio app you put infront of me I'll have down in a few seconds... not true with a mac one... they just don't jive with me... Plus I don't have to go into SF that often as Vegas can usually get the job done right there on the timeline... FCP would struggle to accomplish what Vegas can do so easily as it's the same tools and layout as SF/Acid. Oh, I didn't mean one didn't shine in some places than others... just meant overall it's a draw... to me the workflow is more logical in Vegas than FCP... I look in the manual a lot in FCP, not so much in Vegas. Guess, different strokes for different folks.

August 4th, 2006, 05:15 PM	#41
Kevin Richard Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 270	At least we kept it civil and informative... got to give us that much :p

August 4th, 2006, 07:36 PM	#42
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Thanks Douglas for the reply, I'm researching a mobile machine. Thanks for the info. __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

August 5th, 2006, 08:58 AM	#43
David Delaney Trustee Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Niagara Ontario Canada Posts: 1,121	IS dual core the way to go?