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Bradley D Barber · October 27th, 2006, 07:18 AM

Hi there, I searched the forum for this answer and found something, but not sure. I am titling a 16:9 project and I wnat the titles on the bottom (black box) On my preview monitor it looks fine but on the Vegas 6 Preview box the titles are below the top saftey line and above the bottom.

Would someone mind tellling me the difference between the two lines, i.e.top line is 4:3 and bottom is 16:9?

Thank you in advance for your response.

Mike Kujbida · October 27th, 2006, 09:49 AM

Have you set the Vegas preview monitor to "simulate device aspect ratio"?
Right click on it to enable this option.
If your preview monitor is a video model (as opposed to a computer one), I'd trust it.

David Jimerson · October 27th, 2006, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Bradley D Barber

Hi there, I searched the forum for this answer and found something, but not sure. I am titling a 16:9 project and I wnat the titles on the bottom (black box) On my preview monitor it looks fine but on the Vegas 6 Preview box the titles are below the top saftey line and above the bottom.

Would someone mind tellling me the difference between the two lines, i.e.top line is 4:3 and bottom is 16:9?

Thank you in advance for your response.

What kind of project are you editing in? 4:3 or 16:9?

Jarrod Whaley · October 27th, 2006, 12:32 PM

If it's an anamorphic 16:9 project, you can't put the subtitles in the letterboxed area because it's not really part of the image. And if it is 16:9 letterbox, you don't want to put your 16:9 into a 4:3 with a hard letterbox.

The two "safety" lines have nothing to do with aspect ratio. The inner box is the title safe area--you can safely put text inside that box. The outer one is the action-safe area--you anything outside that box may or may not be visible on a TV. Both 16:9 and 4:3 have these same safe areas, though their sizes are appropriate for the aspect ratio.

Bradley D Barber · November 7th, 2006, 04:24 PM

It was shot in 16:9 and I am editing that way. I have rendered and previewed it on 4 different tv's and it all looks good! The project is for broadcast so I just want to cover all of my bases!

Thanks for all of your help!

Terry Esslinger · November 7th, 2006, 06:37 PM

Just to get it clear...
You shot and edited in 16:9 and you placed text in the 'black bars' above or below??

Bradley D Barber · November 16th, 2006, 02:58 PM

I shot in 16:9 and I edited in 16:9.
I placed the titles in the bottom blackness, below the image. It all seemed to work out well. I printed to tape and and previed that way as well. I was worried that below the first set of safety lines, would not allow my titles to be seen. However there is a set of saftey lines below my text.

Should I change my saftey settings? I am still practicing to customize my workspace. I have never changed any of these factory settings.

Thanks for any help!

Terry Esslinger · November 16th, 2006, 03:16 PM

If a 16:9 program is played back on a 16:9 Tv the image will fill the entire screen and the black bars (and whatever is in them) would not be visible.

(edit) This would be true for a 'true' 16:9 program not one shot with the pseudo 16:9 such as with a PD150

Bradley D Barber · November 17th, 2006, 08:45 AM

I shot the footage with a GL-2 in 16:9 mode. I previewed on good ole' regular tv. The text is in the lower box.

It has aired on television and all seems well. Trial by fire I guess! I would like to know if there are any settings I should change that would make sense, if I were to do this again.

Terry Esslinger · November 17th, 2006, 02:33 PM

I'm curious, have you seen it played back on a widescreen 16:9 TV set? Since I believe the GL2 does not have 16:9 chips and it does 'pseudo' 16:9 (just like the PD150) it would probably work as you are just placing the lettering in a 'cropped' area.

Bradley D Barber · November 20th, 2006, 04:07 PM

I did see it on a 16:9 screen. It looked fine. I did notice that when I burn it onto dvd it says it is a 4:3 project? I worked on it in 16:9 and probalby did the fit to screen "no letterbox" option was checked. However, by luck, it seems to work great! Thanks for your interest.

October 27th, 2006, 07:18 AM	#1
Bradley D Barber Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 117	Newbie Question Hi there, I searched the forum for this answer and found something, but not sure. I am titling a 16:9 project and I wnat the titles on the bottom (black box) On my preview monitor it looks fine but on the Vegas 6 Preview box the titles are below the top saftey line and above the bottom. Would someone mind tellling me the difference between the two lines, i.e.top line is 4:3 and bottom is 16:9? Thank you in advance for your response.

October 27th, 2006, 12:32 PM	#4
Jarrod Whaley Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: chattanooga, tn Posts: 721	If it's an anamorphic 16:9 project, you can't put the subtitles in the letterboxed area because it's not really part of the image. And if it is 16:9 letterbox, you don't want to put your 16:9 into a 4:3 with a hard letterbox. The two "safety" lines have nothing to do with aspect ratio. The inner box is the title safe area--you can safely put text inside that box. The outer one is the action-safe area--you anything outside that box may or may not be visible on a TV. Both 16:9 and 4:3 have these same safe areas, though their sizes are appropriate for the aspect ratio. __________________ -->jarrod whaley. www.oakstreetfilms.com

November 7th, 2006, 06:37 PM	#6
Terry Esslinger Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, Elk Grove. Calif Posts: 306	Just to get it clear... You shot and edited in 16:9 and you placed text in the 'black bars' above or below?? __________________ Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

November 16th, 2006, 03:16 PM	#8
Terry Esslinger Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, Elk Grove. Calif Posts: 306	If a 16:9 program is played back on a 16:9 Tv the image will fill the entire screen and the black bars (and whatever is in them) would not be visible. (edit) This would be true for a 'true' 16:9 program not one shot with the pseudo 16:9 such as with a PD150 __________________ Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

November 17th, 2006, 02:33 PM	#10
Terry Esslinger Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sacramento, Elk Grove. Calif Posts: 306	I'm curious, have you seen it played back on a widescreen 16:9 TV set? Since I believe the GL2 does not have 16:9 chips and it does 'pseudo' 16:9 (just like the PD150) it would probably work as you are just placing the lettering in a 'cropped' area. __________________ Puttin the wet stuff on the red stuff!

October 27th, 2006, 09:49 AM	#2
Mike Kujbida Inner Circle Join Date: May 2005 Location: Windsor, ON Canada Posts: 2,770	Have you set the Vegas preview monitor to "simulate device aspect ratio"? Right click on it to enable this option. If your preview monitor is a video model (as opposed to a computer one), I'd trust it.

November 7th, 2006, 04:24 PM	#5
Bradley D Barber Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 117	It was shot in 16:9 and I am editing that way. I have rendered and previewed it on 4 different tv's and it all looks good! The project is for broadcast so I just want to cover all of my bases! Thanks for all of your help!

November 16th, 2006, 02:58 PM	#7
Bradley D Barber Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 117	I shot in 16:9 and I edited in 16:9. I placed the titles in the bottom blackness, below the image. It all seemed to work out well. I printed to tape and and previed that way as well. I was worried that below the first set of safety lines, would not allow my titles to be seen. However there is a set of saftey lines below my text. Should I change my saftey settings? I am still practicing to customize my workspace. I have never changed any of these factory settings. Thanks for any help!

November 17th, 2006, 08:45 AM	#9
Bradley D Barber Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 117	I shot the footage with a GL-2 in 16:9 mode. I previewed on good ole' regular tv. The text is in the lower box. It has aired on television and all seems well. Trial by fire I guess! I would like to know if there are any settings I should change that would make sense, if I were to do this again.

November 20th, 2006, 04:07 PM	#11
Bradley D Barber Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 117	I did see it on a 16:9 screen. It looked fine. I did notice that when I burn it onto dvd it says it is a 4:3 project? I worked on it in 16:9 and probalby did the fit to screen "no letterbox" option was checked. However, by luck, it seems to work great! Thanks for your interest.