Some questions about Sony Vegas 7

Kyle Ringin · January 17th, 2007, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Ravens

In fact, she was specifically concerned that Vegas wouldn't do 3 or 4 point editting. In fact, it can, in the trimmer as Glenn said...they just don't call it 4 point editting.

I don't want to hijack the thread, but what is a 3 or 4 point edit? or alternatively, what does Vegas call it?

Cheers,
Kyle

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 17th, 2007, 11:18 PM

Floris, you'll want to capture what the camera outputs; .m2t.
I hope you'll find the DVDs useful in your learning.

Kyle, Sony don't call a 3/4 point edit anything specifically, it's odd that the term is left out of their manual.

Kyle Ringin · January 18th, 2007, 12:17 AM

Thanks Spot,
Can you tell me exactly what it is?

Thanks.

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 18th, 2007, 01:04 AM

As described by "Digital Movie Making."
"In digital video editing, three-point editing is an editing method used to insert a clip from the source media into a destination track, which is done by setting three edit points. The first two set points define the in and out points of the clip, or the in and out points in the timeline that the clip will fit into. The third point indicates either the In or Out point for the clip (if the other tow points are in the timeline), or the in and out points in the timeline (if the other two points are in the clip). " (I was too lazy to come up with my own description, and happened to have this PDF).

Four point is the same, but determining both in and out, rather than either In or Out.

Vegas is capable of either one, along with rolling edits, slip edits, slip n' slide edits, and with a script add-on (free), insert edits.

Kyle Ringin · January 18th, 2007, 03:49 PM

Ahh I see - thanks. I've always done those manually. How would *you* go about doing, say, a three point edit in Vegas?

Thanks,
Kyle

Douglas Spotted Eagle · January 18th, 2007, 03:59 PM

1. have a hole somewhere on your timeline, or create a selection on an empty track (if you have the hole, double click inside the hole to create a selection).

2. Open a clip in the trimmer. Place your cursor on the frame in the trimmer, that you wish to be the In point of the clip.

3. Hit the A key (for Add) and the media will auto set it's Out Point to coincide with the Out point set on the timeline.

You'll see the media from the Trimmer added to the timeline, filling your hole or selection.

Bill Mecca · January 18th, 2007, 06:29 PM

Thanks, that clears up a lot!

Kyle Ringin · January 18th, 2007, 08:02 PM

Thanks heaps!! That's a great tip.

Cheers,
Kyle

Floris van Eck · January 23rd, 2007, 03:37 PM

I have started working with Vegas and I must say I really like the program. It really IS a tank as whatever I throw at it does not disturb it at all. I also received the VASST total training DVD's. I have only checked the first bit of the Volume 1 DVD and I must compliment Douglas and John with it. The training is easy to follow and everything you need to know is explained.

After all the trouble with Premiere... this really feels like a fresh start.

I have one questions for Douglas though... with PAL footage, what is the correct timeline ruler format setting? Do I use the SMTPE EBU setting or the regular 29,97fps setting?

Kyle Ringin · January 24th, 2007, 07:41 PM

Hi Floris,
If you are editing PAL and outputting PAL, use the 25fps ruler.

Cheers,
Kyle

Floris van Eck · January 25th, 2007, 04:43 PM

Thanks Kyle! I have another question regarding harddisk usage. I have a computer with five harddisks in the following setup:

(DISK 1 - OS DISK) Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7.200RPM
(DISK 2) Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7.200RPM
(DISK 3) Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7.200RPM
(DISK 4) 2x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10.000RPM in RAID 0

Which are the optimal settings to maximize performance? To which disk(s) do I render, where do I store my files, where do I store audio, temporary files... or in other words what are the smartest directory settings?

I think I should render to the RAID 0 array. But do I also capture to it? And where do I store the temporary files? On the OS disk (default) or on 2 or 3?

Milt Lee · January 25th, 2007, 11:26 PM

"After all the trouble with Premiere... this really feels like a fresh start."

I came from Ulead to Premiere to Vegas. And I truly love Vegas. After using for about 4 years, there's still so much that I don't know (because of the depth of the program) but having said that, it's so intuitive that I don't worry about it.

But one thing that makes me so mad I can hardly stand it. I opened the Feb 6th issue of PC magazine, and discover that the issue is entirely devoted to video. Their software of choice???? No question - Adobe Premiere!!! I'm freakin' The second choice - Final Cut Pro. Now I'm pukin'. No mention of Vegas, and they are supposedly talking to rank amateurs - people who could really benefit from a very intuitive program that's fast, flexible, and doesn't crash.

It just makes me crazy.
Milt Lee
(Shameless self - promotion - check out a couple of new pieces I just did with vegas: http://oyate.com/rezup.html)

Kyle Ringin · January 30th, 2007, 11:53 PM

Hi Floris,
Sorry I didn't see your post earlier.
I'd probably capture to the raid array - not so much because it'll help capture (any of your drives should capture fine), but so that you are using it to edit and it may help you get better playback/easier realtime, etc.
Then I'd render to either 'DISK2' or 'DISK3'. You'll get faster renders to DV, uncompressed, etc by rendering to a different drive than the one the media is on.

Hope that helps,
Kyle

Ali Husain · January 31st, 2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Floris van Eck

One thing I would like to ask here is about a good Vegas workflow. The capturing panel looks simple but maybe there are more advanced features. I am shooting a theatre production right now and therefore I have 2x 63 minutes of tape without any scenes. What is the best way to deal with the footage? I suppose that if I capture everything I will end up with a 13GB .m2t file which willl not be appreciated by my computer. So I have to split it up. Is there something like logging with batch capture in Vegas?

As always: thanks to everyone for their help. I really appreciate it.

vegas smartly limits files to 4gb automatically when you've got a fat32 file system (at least i don't remember setting any option for this). so if you capture >4gb of data you'll automatically get more than one file.

Floris van Eck · January 31st, 2007, 02:43 AM

Thanks. Somehow that is the opposite of what was recommended for Premiere. Because rendering is the most intensive task, Adobe recommends using your fastest harddisks for rendering/scratch. I just want to maximize my performance in Vegas... so I hope someone can clear this up.

January 17th, 2007, 11:18 PM	#32
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	Floris, you'll want to capture what the camera outputs; .m2t. I hope you'll find the DVDs useful in your learning. Kyle, Sony don't call a 3/4 point edit anything specifically, it's odd that the term is left out of their manual. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

January 18th, 2007, 01:04 AM	#34
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	As described by "Digital Movie Making." "In digital video editing, three-point editing is an editing method used to insert a clip from the source media into a destination track, which is done by setting three edit points. The first two set points define the in and out points of the clip, or the in and out points in the timeline that the clip will fit into. The third point indicates either the In or Out point for the clip (if the other tow points are in the timeline), or the in and out points in the timeline (if the other two points are in the clip). " (I was too lazy to come up with my own description, and happened to have this PDF). Four point is the same, but determining both in and out, rather than either In or Out. Vegas is capable of either one, along with rolling edits, slip edits, slip n' slide edits, and with a script add-on (free), insert edits. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

January 18th, 2007, 03:59 PM	#36
Douglas Spotted Eagle VASST Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Stockton, UT Posts: 5,648	1. have a hole somewhere on your timeline, or create a selection on an empty track (if you have the hole, double click inside the hole to create a selection). 2. Open a clip in the trimmer. Place your cursor on the frame in the trimmer, that you wish to be the In point of the clip. 3. Hit the A key (for Add) and the media will auto set it's Out Point to coincide with the Out point set on the timeline. You'll see the media from the Trimmer added to the timeline, filling your hole or selection. __________________ Douglas Spotted Eagle/Spot Author, producer, composer Certified Sony Vegas Trainer http://www.vasst.com

January 18th, 2007, 06:29 PM	#37
Bill Mecca Major Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 475	Thanks, that clears up a lot! __________________ Award-winning Pine Barrens Documentary! Video, Audio, Music & More

January 25th, 2007, 11:26 PM	#42
Milt Lee Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Cass Lake MN Posts: 221	"After all the trouble with Premiere... this really feels like a fresh start." I came from Ulead to Premiere to Vegas. And I truly love Vegas. After using for about 4 years, there's still so much that I don't know (because of the depth of the program) but having said that, it's so intuitive that I don't worry about it. But one thing that makes me so mad I can hardly stand it. I opened the Feb 6th issue of PC magazine, and discover that the issue is entirely devoted to video. Their software of choice???? No question - Adobe Premiere!!! I'm freakin' The second choice - Final Cut Pro. Now I'm pukin'. No mention of Vegas, and they are supposedly talking to rank amateurs - people who could really benefit from a very intuitive program that's fast, flexible, and doesn't crash. It just makes me crazy. Milt Lee (Shameless self - promotion - check out a couple of new pieces I just did with vegas: http://oyate.com/rezup.html) __________________ Professional website - http://manykites.com Personal - http://mrdogsblog.com

January 18th, 2007, 12:17 AM	#33
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	Thanks Spot, Can you tell me exactly what it is? Thanks.

January 18th, 2007, 03:49 PM	#35
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	Ahh I see - thanks. I've always done those manually. How would you go about doing, say, a three point edit in Vegas? Thanks, Kyle

January 18th, 2007, 08:02 PM	#38
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	Thanks heaps!! That's a great tip. Cheers, Kyle

January 23rd, 2007, 03:37 PM	#39
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	I have started working with Vegas and I must say I really like the program. It really IS a tank as whatever I throw at it does not disturb it at all. I also received the VASST total training DVD's. I have only checked the first bit of the Volume 1 DVD and I must compliment Douglas and John with it. The training is easy to follow and everything you need to know is explained. After all the trouble with Premiere... this really feels like a fresh start. I have one questions for Douglas though... with PAL footage, what is the correct timeline ruler format setting? Do I use the SMTPE EBU setting or the regular 29,97fps setting?

January 24th, 2007, 07:41 PM	#40
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	Hi Floris, If you are editing PAL and outputting PAL, use the 25fps ruler. Cheers, Kyle

January 25th, 2007, 04:43 PM	#41
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	Thanks Kyle! I have another question regarding harddisk usage. I have a computer with five harddisks in the following setup: (DISK 1 - OS DISK) Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7.200RPM (DISK 2) Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7.200RPM (DISK 3) Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7.200RPM (DISK 4) 2x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10.000RPM in RAID 0 Which are the optimal settings to maximize performance? To which disk(s) do I render, where do I store my files, where do I store audio, temporary files... or in other words what are the smartest directory settings? I think I should render to the RAID 0 array. But do I also capture to it? And where do I store the temporary files? On the OS disk (default) or on 2 or 3?

January 30th, 2007, 11:53 PM	#43
Kyle Ringin Major Player Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 241	Hi Floris, Sorry I didn't see your post earlier. I'd probably capture to the raid array - not so much because it'll help capture (any of your drives should capture fine), but so that you are using it to edit and it may help you get better playback/easier realtime, etc. Then I'd render to either 'DISK2' or 'DISK3'. You'll get faster renders to DV, uncompressed, etc by rendering to a different drive than the one the media is on. Hope that helps, Kyle

January 31st, 2007, 02:43 AM	#45
Floris van Eck Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 993	Thanks. Somehow that is the opposite of what was recommended for Premiere. Because rendering is the most intensive task, Adobe recommends using your fastest harddisks for rendering/scratch. I just want to maximize my performance in Vegas... so I hope someone can clear this up.