Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Yi Fong Yu · August 1st, 2004, 09:03 PM

yes the ignore event grouping is not turned on but what do you mean i need to delete both audio and video tracks both? i've had times when i highlighted a section of a clip and then pressed control+x and it would cut both audio and video. how come there are still other times where i have to go in and cut video and THEN audio?

Rob Lohman · August 2nd, 2004, 04:20 AM

Sounds great Randall! Thank you.

Josh Bass · August 2nd, 2004, 04:30 AM

I'm reviving this again. Since my last post on this thread, I've probably gone through three hard drives (that's a whole other story), the point being that each time I reinstalled a new drive, and I had to reinstall Vegas.

I'm having this reverb issue again. ALL other effects work, but reverb just does nothing, for some reason. . .whether apply it to a single event (non-real time FX), or to the entire track. . .bupkiss.

Anyone? Anyone?

Rob Lohman · August 2nd, 2004, 04:55 AM

That depends on how you have selected things I believe. If you
have just the track selected on which you work it will just delete
from there. You can even make it cut only that track if you want
to. It is hard to describe and show virtually <g>

Yi Fong Yu · August 2nd, 2004, 06:32 AM

what i do is move the cursor to right above where the timecode is for the clips and then highly both audio and video track sections of where i want to 'cut' (ctrl+x or delete button). and at times when i get lucky i can cut, but on this particular project (which happens to be 4 hrs+) i've been running into problems where i have cut it (pressing either ctrl+x or delete button) but it doesn't even cut it for me... i'm sitting there with a question mark above my head... what the heck an editor that doens't cut when i tell it to? i have the latest revisions of vegas from the web. my gears are no prob. i just dunno if it's a config that i'm missing or i'm doing somn wrong.

Rob Lohman · August 2nd, 2004, 09:21 AM

Is this Vegas 4 or 5 and on what OS etc.?

James Lilly · August 2nd, 2004, 10:52 AM

I know that some programs, when they deinterlace and convert to 24p, do not loose resolution on the screen. Is that the same thing for Vegas 5.0? Or do you get a lower resolution image?

Edward Troxel · August 2nd, 2004, 10:54 AM

Is the hard drive rattling like crazy at that point in time?

Bill Ravens · August 2nd, 2004, 12:04 PM

dunno where you got your info. you'll ALWAYS get a loss in rez when you de-interlace. It happens 'cuz there's just no more vertical rez to be had. Ya can't create something from nothing. Deinterlacing works by either duplicating the existing frame or interpolating between the frame scanlines. There's no other way to generate the info. Since each field is separated in time by 1/60th of a second the info in each field is not useable to "detemporalize" your frames.

James Lilly · August 2nd, 2004, 01:00 PM

Actually, a lot of the software and companies out there like DVFilm Maker claim to do it.

http://www.dvfilm.com/maker/index.htm

It is about 1/5 the way down.

Bill Ravens · August 2nd, 2004, 01:08 PM

all these guys use their own proprietary interpolating algorithmns. despite their claims, you WILL lose vertical rez on de-interlacing. It's a law of physics...can't create something from nothing. I've played with the DVFilmmaker software and vegas can do better.

James Lilly · August 2nd, 2004, 01:24 PM

That is interesting. These places are charging a hell of a lot to be lying about what they can do. Of course, in this inustry, anything is possible.

Could they perhaps be taking one frame of horiontal and combing it with one frame of vertical?

Barry Schmetter · August 2nd, 2004, 01:25 PM

Thanks for the suggestions. I have realized that Vegas and Cleaner XL with the Sorenson 3 Pro codec are not very good at producing high quality QT files. I have started to use Sorenson Squeeze and find that it beats everything else by a huge margin. I was very surprised that the same codec could produce such different results in different applications, but I'm totally sold on Sqeeze's ease of use and high quality output.

Bill Ravens · August 2nd, 2004, 01:53 PM

well, dunno if i'd call it out and out "lying". Perhaps salesmanship or marketting is more appropriate. His(DVFilm) statement is true for horizontal rez. Each field is a horizontal scan composed of field lines that are captured 1/60th second apart. The fields are then combined to form a single image frame. You can't see the combing unless there is rapid horizontal motion. In this case, the vertical edges of objects exhibit the "combing" effect since each alternating scan line is not acquired at the same instant in time.

The vegas method of de-interlacing that most closely duplicates the method used by DVFilm is described here:http://www.100fps.com/

Douglas Spotted Eagle also has a tutorial on how to de-interlace, but, I can't find it. Basically, you duplicate your video track. Render the first track to the upper field. Render your duplicate second track to the lower field. Place the rendered tracks one above the other and set the opacity to 50% on the top track. Render to one track.

James Lilly · August 2nd, 2004, 02:09 PM

I just noticed your in Santa Fe too. Small world we live in.

I'll read that. The way this got started was a client asked me if Sony could like this company, and I wasn't sure. I always thought that you would loose some resolution, but after reading what these companys say, I wasn't sure.

Hmmm.

Veritas Media Prodcutions
Santa Fe NM

August 1st, 2004, 09:03 PM	#361
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	yes the ignore event grouping is not turned on but what do you mean i need to delete both audio and video tracks both? i've had times when i highlighted a section of a clip and then pressed control+x and it would cut both audio and video. how come there are still other times where i have to go in and cut video and THEN audio? __________________ bow wow wow

August 2nd, 2004, 04:20 AM	#362
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Sounds great Randall! Thank you. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 2nd, 2004, 04:30 AM	#363
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I'm reviving this again. Since my last post on this thread, I've probably gone through three hard drives (that's a whole other story), the point being that each time I reinstalled a new drive, and I had to reinstall Vegas. I'm having this reverb issue again. ALL other effects work, but reverb just does nothing, for some reason. . .whether apply it to a single event (non-real time FX), or to the entire track. . .bupkiss. Anyone? Anyone? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

August 2nd, 2004, 04:55 AM	#364
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	That depends on how you have selected things I believe. If you have just the track selected on which you work it will just delete from there. You can even make it cut only that track if you want to. It is hard to describe and show virtually <g> __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 2nd, 2004, 06:32 AM	#365
Yi Fong Yu Trustee Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vulcan Posts: 1,564	what i do is move the cursor to right above where the timecode is for the clips and then highly both audio and video track sections of where i want to 'cut' (ctrl+x or delete button). and at times when i get lucky i can cut, but on this particular project (which happens to be 4 hrs+) i've been running into problems where i have cut it (pressing either ctrl+x or delete button) but it doesn't even cut it for me... i'm sitting there with a question mark above my head... what the heck an editor that doens't cut when i tell it to? i have the latest revisions of vegas from the web. my gears are no prob. i just dunno if it's a config that i'm missing or i'm doing somn wrong. __________________ bow wow wow

August 2nd, 2004, 09:21 AM	#366
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Is this Vegas 4 or 5 and on what OS etc.? __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

August 2nd, 2004, 10:52 AM	#367
James Lilly Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 66	Vegas 5.0 Delinterlacing methods I know that some programs, when they deinterlace and convert to 24p, do not loose resolution on the screen. Is that the same thing for Vegas 5.0? Or do you get a lower resolution image?

August 2nd, 2004, 10:54 AM	#368
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Is the hard drive rattling like crazy at that point in time? __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

August 2nd, 2004, 12:04 PM	#369
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	dunno where you got your info. you'll ALWAYS get a loss in rez when you de-interlace. It happens 'cuz there's just no more vertical rez to be had. Ya can't create something from nothing. Deinterlacing works by either duplicating the existing frame or interpolating between the frame scanlines. There's no other way to generate the info. Since each field is separated in time by 1/60th of a second the info in each field is not useable to "detemporalize" your frames.

August 2nd, 2004, 01:00 PM	#370
James Lilly Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 66	Actually, a lot of the software and companies out there like DVFilm Maker claim to do it. http://www.dvfilm.com/maker/index.htm It is about 1/5 the way down.

August 2nd, 2004, 01:08 PM	#371
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	all these guys use their own proprietary interpolating algorithmns. despite their claims, you WILL lose vertical rez on de-interlacing. It's a law of physics...can't create something from nothing. I've played with the DVFilmmaker software and vegas can do better.

August 2nd, 2004, 01:24 PM	#372
James Lilly Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 66	That is interesting. These places are charging a hell of a lot to be lying about what they can do. Of course, in this inustry, anything is possible. Could they perhaps be taking one frame of horiontal and combing it with one frame of vertical?

August 2nd, 2004, 01:25 PM	#373
Barry Schmetter Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Washington DC Posts: 38	Thanks for the suggestions. I have realized that Vegas and Cleaner XL with the Sorenson 3 Pro codec are not very good at producing high quality QT files. I have started to use Sorenson Squeeze and find that it beats everything else by a huge margin. I was very surprised that the same codec could produce such different results in different applications, but I'm totally sold on Sqeeze's ease of use and high quality output.

August 2nd, 2004, 01:53 PM	#374
Bill Ravens Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: santa fe, nm Posts: 3,264 Images: 10	well, dunno if i'd call it out and out "lying". Perhaps salesmanship or marketting is more appropriate. His(DVFilm) statement is true for horizontal rez. Each field is a horizontal scan composed of field lines that are captured 1/60th second apart. The fields are then combined to form a single image frame. You can't see the combing unless there is rapid horizontal motion. In this case, the vertical edges of objects exhibit the "combing" effect since each alternating scan line is not acquired at the same instant in time. The vegas method of de-interlacing that most closely duplicates the method used by DVFilm is described here:http://www.100fps.com/ Douglas Spotted Eagle also has a tutorial on how to de-interlace, but, I can't find it. Basically, you duplicate your video track. Render the first track to the upper field. Render your duplicate second track to the lower field. Place the rendered tracks one above the other and set the opacity to 50% on the top track. Render to one track.

August 2nd, 2004, 02:09 PM	#375
James Lilly Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 66	I just noticed your in Santa Fe too. Small world we live in. I'll read that. The way this got started was a client asked me if Sony could like this company, and I wasn't sure. I always thought that you would loose some resolution, but after reading what these companys say, I wasn't sure. Hmmm. Veritas Media Prodcutions Santa Fe NM

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