Vegas Video discussions from 2004 (Q3Q4)

Edward Troxel · October 21st, 2004, 08:44 AM

The Credit Roll is one of the articles in the next issue of the newsletter. It's now nearing completion. There's multiple ways of getting information into the credit roll and I tell about what I consider the easiest method. In your case, the easiest was definitely to select the line (the header of the line, not the text itself) where you wanted the new line to be and press Insert. However, you could also have copied a line a pasted it there as well.

John Cloy · October 21st, 2004, 09:08 AM

OK - running network rendering on a single machine solved that problem!

I rendered 5 jobs last night without a problem. I was doing a final edit "fix up" pass on a play I was hired to tape. Edited each reel, saved the changes, queued them up to the network render (after I figured out how to start it - not hard). And watched it start the first one.

Went to bed, came back this morning with a cup of coffee and the world is a beautiful place.

Jose Luis · October 21st, 2004, 09:28 AM

Hi there,

Just started with Vegas a few days ago....

Will post some questions in the near future :) so please be patient ;)

Also want to say that first of all I searched the web (thus founded this forum) and then searched the forums....
And think that this question was not covered.... If it was accept my appologyes maybe didn´t selected the right search keywords...

Now my question...
I would like to make the "Clone" effect (me against me)
But somewhere I can´t get it to work..

For testing I :
1. I shooted my Living room without any characters
2. I shooted myself at the right of the living room (no blue screen)
3. I shooted myself at the left of the living room (no blue screen)

Can you guys point me the steps of such effect ?

Cheers!
Jose Luis

Edward Troxel · October 21st, 2004, 09:28 AM

Sounds great. Glad it all worked.

Randy Stewart · October 21st, 2004, 10:07 AM

All,
VASST just released their new tool called Ultimate S that has an incredible array of mega-time saver customizeable scripts in one template-saveable application. You set up the parameters and hit one button and the tool does all the work. WOW! Get a free 14 day trial download here: http://www.vasst.com/ultimate.htm. This is a must have for any Vegas editor!
Randy

Simon Wyndham · October 21st, 2004, 03:39 PM

Hmm. I am not sure about the solution to the problem, and I don't mean any disrespect here, it's just my personal preference, I think that your before shots look more natural. I think perhaps the after shots have been overdone a little.

Hehe, but then I might just have a badly adjusted monitor.

Which THX test did you do? Hopefully not the one that comes on DVDs, as that one is setup for the film DVD on which it comes rather than being a definitive test setup (I'm not assuming that you have, but just in case I thought I'd mention it).

Simon Wyndham · October 21st, 2004, 03:49 PM

Pipe dream? Hmm, depends. By the time HD becomes the must have format and all HD prices are down to the prices all SD equipment in their various categories are at the moment, the FX1 will have been superceded. But your footage will be slightly well future proofed.

With a straight deinterlace you will be getting effectively 540 lines, not 720, less than the res of a SD 24p camera..

I think the FX1 would be better thought of as a tool in it's own right rather than the saviour of the low budget filmmaker. It's a forerunner. Not the solution. Perhaps you should exploit it for what it can do rather than what it can't.

Although I use progressive all the time and love the look, I do actually lkike the smoothness that interlacing brings sometimes.

Problem with HD on a prosumer camera is the lenses. I would bet that half of the FX1's potential is being eliminated by consumer/prosumer grade glass.

Elton Wishart · October 21st, 2004, 04:24 PM

Does anyone know of a website where they might have generic clips for free download, such as a countdown or a screen of video noise (snow)?

Michael Morlan · October 21st, 2004, 05:30 PM

If you want to generate your own test tones, consider the following:

http://www.soft411.com/company/Timo-...-Generator.htm
http://www.nch.com.au/tonegen/
http://www.download.com/SigJenny/300...ml?tag=lst-0-3

John Hudson · October 21st, 2004, 06:19 PM

Try this?

http://www.archive.org/movies/prelinger.php

Chris Hurd · October 21st, 2004, 06:53 PM

I was lucky enough to have this shown to me by DSE himself -- and it looks great! I think I'm gonna jump ship and switch to Vegas!

Glen Elliott · October 21st, 2004, 07:36 PM

Are you serious Chris?! What NLE are you on now?

Chris Hurd · October 21st, 2004, 08:13 PM

I have an aging Canopus DV Rex RT.

It's either going to be Edius or Vegas for me.

Randy Stewart · October 21st, 2004, 08:26 PM

Chris,
You won't be sorry. Vegas rocks! Ultimate S is fabulous and I'm thinking there will be many more great products following suit. The future looks bright for sure.
Randy

Dan Melius · October 21st, 2004, 08:58 PM

I believe that the movie film THX test is the same test regardless of the movie DVD. I have tried the test along with the special color test with blue glasses on several of the DVDs that I own and the settings did not change from one movie to the other in my experience.

The color is not as severe of a change on the TV as it is on computer monitors. I adjusted while watching it on my TV screen and not on the monitor.

The brightness setting has got me confused as it is whole lot more than the factory default settings of a TV or computer monitor. This makes these pictures a whole lot more darker than what I had made them. After talking to a person in the know on commercial DVD's tonight, I have decided to start from scratch and redo the brightness so that it looks best at the midway point on TV screen and monitor. For me this would be 31 or 32 for brightness on my TV screen that adjusts from 0-63 and 50 on the monitor screen that adjusts from 0-100.

I had hoped that Douglas Spotted Eagle would have responded here as he made no mention on his training DVD's (vegas 4 and 5) on the brightness settings to use in vegas on his training DVDs. He did mention on using the color bars to adjust the color but have no idea how to use this for adjusting the brightness. Is there not a standard broadcast standard for brightness? Is this the factory default setting on TV's, which would be the half way point on the TV settings? Is the midway brightness settings on TV's the same for all of them? I am basically looking to make the brightness of the video footage at a point where anyone can stick the DVD in their player and not have to adjust their settings for viewing the footage.

It was not my decision to change the colors but the people that I am working the footage for wanted the footage to have warmer skin tones than what the original footage showed. My preference to this is not a concern as I am basically giving the people who are paying for the footage what they want. It is my opinion that cooler skin tones always look better than warmer skin tones as I have a preference to the blue side over the red.

October 21st, 2004, 08:44 AM	#1201
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	The Credit Roll is one of the articles in the next issue of the newsletter. It's now nearing completion. There's multiple ways of getting information into the credit roll and I tell about what I consider the easiest method. In your case, the easiest was definitely to select the line (the header of the line, not the text itself) where you wanted the new line to be and press Insert. However, you could also have copied a line a pasted it there as well. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 21st, 2004, 09:08 AM	#1202
John Cloy Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Escondido, CA Posts: 50	OK - running network rendering on a single machine solved that problem! I rendered 5 jobs last night without a problem. I was doing a final edit "fix up" pass on a play I was hired to tape. Edited each reel, saved the changes, queued them up to the network render (after I figured out how to start it - not hard). And watched it start the first one. Went to bed, came back this morning with a cup of coffee and the world is a beautiful place. __________________ John You mean I can get paid to do this?

October 21st, 2004, 09:28 AM	#1203
Jose Luis Tourist Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: [PT] Portugal Posts: 1	FX - How-to ? Clone effect Hi there, Just started with Vegas a few days ago.... Will post some questions in the near future :) so please be patient ;) Also want to say that first of all I searched the web (thus founded this forum) and then searched the forums.... And think that this question was not covered.... If it was accept my appologyes maybe didn´t selected the right search keywords... Now my question... I would like to make the "Clone" effect (me against me) But somewhere I can´t get it to work.. For testing I : 1. I shooted my Living room without any characters 2. I shooted myself at the right of the living room (no blue screen) 3. I shooted myself at the left of the living room (no blue screen) Can you guys point me the steps of such effect ? Cheers! Jose Luis

October 21st, 2004, 09:28 AM	#1204
Edward Troxel Sponsor: JET DV Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Southern Illinois Posts: 7,953	Sounds great. Glad it all worked. __________________ Edward Troxel [SCVU] JETDV Scripts/Scripting Tutorials/Excalibur/Montage Magic/Newsletters

October 21st, 2004, 10:07 AM	#1205
Randy Stewart Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hooper, UT Posts: 177	Checkout Ultimate S - Incredible Tool All, VASST just released their new tool called Ultimate S that has an incredible array of mega-time saver customizeable scripts in one template-saveable application. You set up the parameters and hit one button and the tool does all the work. WOW! Get a free 14 day trial download here: http://www.vasst.com/ultimate.htm. This is a must have for any Vegas editor! Randy

October 21st, 2004, 03:39 PM	#1206
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Hmm. I am not sure about the solution to the problem, and I don't mean any disrespect here, it's just my personal preference, I think that your before shots look more natural. I think perhaps the after shots have been overdone a little. Hehe, but then I might just have a badly adjusted monitor. Which THX test did you do? Hopefully not the one that comes on DVDs, as that one is setup for the film DVD on which it comes rather than being a definitive test setup (I'm not assuming that you have, but just in case I thought I'd mention it).

October 21st, 2004, 03:49 PM	#1207
Simon Wyndham Trustee Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Malvern UK Posts: 1,931	Pipe dream? Hmm, depends. By the time HD becomes the must have format and all HD prices are down to the prices all SD equipment in their various categories are at the moment, the FX1 will have been superceded. But your footage will be slightly well future proofed. With a straight deinterlace you will be getting effectively 540 lines, not 720, less than the res of a SD 24p camera.. I think the FX1 would be better thought of as a tool in it's own right rather than the saviour of the low budget filmmaker. It's a forerunner. Not the solution. Perhaps you should exploit it for what it can do rather than what it can't. Although I use progressive all the time and love the look, I do actually lkike the smoothness that interlacing brings sometimes. Problem with HD on a prosumer camera is the lenses. I would bet that half of the FX1's potential is being eliminated by consumer/prosumer grade glass.

October 21st, 2004, 04:24 PM	#1208
Elton Wishart New Boot Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Posts: 20	website for free generic clips Does anyone know of a website where they might have generic clips for free download, such as a countdown or a screen of video noise (snow)?

October 21st, 2004, 05:30 PM	#1209
Michael Morlan Regular Crew Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 79	If you want to generate your own test tones, consider the following: http://www.soft411.com/company/Timo-...-Generator.htm http://www.nch.com.au/tonegen/ http://www.download.com/SigJenny/300...ml?tag=lst-0-3 __________________ Michael Morlan . cinematographer \| local 600 operator http://michael-morlan.net . http://talltalepictures.com

October 21st, 2004, 06:19 PM	#1210
John Hudson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 32° 44' N 117° 10' W Posts: 820	Try this? http://www.archive.org/movies/prelinger.php

October 21st, 2004, 06:53 PM	#1211
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I was lucky enough to have this shown to me by DSE himself -- and it looks great! I think I'm gonna jump ship and switch to Vegas! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 21st, 2004, 07:36 PM	#1212
Glen Elliott Wrangler Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,898	Are you serious Chris?! What NLE are you on now?

October 21st, 2004, 08:13 PM	#1213
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I have an aging Canopus DV Rex RT. It's either going to be Edius or Vegas for me. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

October 21st, 2004, 08:26 PM	#1214
Randy Stewart Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hooper, UT Posts: 177	Chris, You won't be sorry. Vegas rocks! Ultimate S is fabulous and I'm thinking there will be many more great products following suit. The future looks bright for sure. Randy

October 21st, 2004, 08:58 PM	#1215
Dan Melius Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Johnstown PA Posts: 44	I believe that the movie film THX test is the same test regardless of the movie DVD. I have tried the test along with the special color test with blue glasses on several of the DVDs that I own and the settings did not change from one movie to the other in my experience. The color is not as severe of a change on the TV as it is on computer monitors. I adjusted while watching it on my TV screen and not on the monitor. The brightness setting has got me confused as it is whole lot more than the factory default settings of a TV or computer monitor. This makes these pictures a whole lot more darker than what I had made them. After talking to a person in the know on commercial DVD's tonight, I have decided to start from scratch and redo the brightness so that it looks best at the midway point on TV screen and monitor. For me this would be 31 or 32 for brightness on my TV screen that adjusts from 0-63 and 50 on the monitor screen that adjusts from 0-100. I had hoped that Douglas Spotted Eagle would have responded here as he made no mention on his training DVD's (vegas 4 and 5) on the brightness settings to use in vegas on his training DVDs. He did mention on using the color bars to adjust the color but have no idea how to use this for adjusting the brightness. Is there not a standard broadcast standard for brightness? Is this the factory default setting on TV's, which would be the half way point on the TV settings? Is the midway brightness settings on TV's the same for all of them? I am basically looking to make the brightness of the video footage at a point where anyone can stick the DVD in their player and not have to adjust their settings for viewing the footage. It was not my decision to change the colors but the people that I am working the footage for wanted the footage to have warmer skin tones than what the original footage showed. My preference to this is not a concern as I am basically giving the people who are paying for the footage what they want. It is my opinion that cooler skin tones always look better than warmer skin tones as I have a preference to the blue side over the red.