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Steven Gotz February 28th, 2005 11:06 PM

Premiere Pro 1.5.1 available
 
The Premiere Pro 1.5.1 update is available for download.

And if you have Aspect HD, it will soon allow you to write back to tape. Watch for the Aspect HD upgrade to be released shortly.

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...atform=Windows

Captures from, and exports back to tape. Finally.

David Newman March 1st, 2005 12:06 AM

The current version of Aspect HD (2.5b) is already configured to support PPro 1.5.1. So the new Premiere can be used directly from Aspect HD. To the new Premiere HDV capture tool can capture directly into an Aspect HD project, and export to tape functions today straight from an Aspect HD timeline. Finally. But more is to come Aspect HD 3.0 is very close will even more speed, more quality and control.

Andrew J Hall March 1st, 2005 01:14 AM

Is Aspect HD 3.0 going to be a free upgrade from 2.5 ie do I need to postpone my purchase of the Aspect / Premiere package :-) ?

Andrew Hall

Steven Gotz March 1st, 2005 08:25 AM

David,

I don't get the same Export to Tape option in a Cineform preset project as I do from the native Premiere Pro project. It is disabled.

Can you tell us how it is supposed to work?

David Newman March 1st, 2005 09:42 AM

Andrew,

Aspect HD 3.0 will be a free upgrade.

David.

David Newman March 1st, 2005 09:45 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Steven Gotz : David,

I don't get the same Export to Tape option in a Cineform preset project as I do from the native Premiere Pro project. It is disabled.

Can you tell us how it is supposed to work? -->>>

Go into preferences and set your device control to "HDV Device Control", plug in your HDV camera and the "Export to tape" option will be available.

David.

Greg Jacobson March 1st, 2005 09:39 PM

So no reason to buy Aspect HD now? I can just use the Premeire Pro 1.51 version and get the same features?

Steven Gotz March 1st, 2005 09:51 PM

Oh, sorry. No.

You get realtime editing with Aspect HD. You don't with just Premiere Pro. Aspect HD provides extra realtime effects and transitions. A much better deal.

You spent a lot on a camera, a lot on a NLE. You might as well spend the extra money to get the best editing solution available. I am a big Aspect HD fan. Check out my HDV page and you'll see!

Graham Hickling March 2nd, 2005 12:16 AM

Another missing feature that will be a bummer for some people is that the 1.5.1 update apparently only ships with the Cineform Directshow codec, and not the Video for Windows codec.

Consequently there will be a number of programs, including perhaps After Effects, that wouldn't be able to open the Cineform avi files that 1.5.1 plugin produces.

(I have no direct experience with this as yet - I'm just reading from the pdf file that comes with 1.5.1).

Kyle Edwards March 2nd, 2005 11:56 PM

It appears you can't use the codec in other programs besides 1.5.1. Shame, I do alot of work outside of Premiere with my footage, then bring it back into Premiere. Can't do that with this update. That is their way of getting you to pay $500 for their codec.

Greg Jacobson March 3rd, 2005 12:00 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kyle Edwards : It appears you can't use the codec in other programs besides 1.5.1. Shame, I do alot of work outside of Premiere with my footage, then bring it back into Premiere. Can't do that with this update. That is their way of getting you to pay $500 for their codec. -->>>

What "other porgrams" would you expect their codec to be transferrable to? After Effects or other non-Adobe programs?

Christopher C. Murphy March 3rd, 2005 06:58 AM

Ok, so like every damn editor INCLUDING iMovie now edits HDV.....except the "industry standard" Final Cut Pro? My ex-wife (the PC) isn't looking to bad these days....

Graham Hickling March 3rd, 2005 07:34 AM

>>What "other porgrams" would you expect their codec to be transferrable to?

I tried the AspectHD demo, and the CFHD codec was available for in, for example, AfterEffects, Virtualdub, TMPGenc and Procoder .... making it very useful for general video tasks well beyond Premiere.

Kevin Shaw March 3rd, 2005 08:00 AM

Steven: can you give us a quick summary of what HDV editing tasks work in real time with Aspect HD? I've heard it may be a fairly short list of effects.

Greg Jacobson March 3rd, 2005 09:09 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Graham Hickling : >>What "other porgrams" would you expect their codec to be transferrable to?
I tried the AspectHD demo, and the CFHD codec was available for in, for example, AfterEffects, Virtualdub, TMPGenc and Procoder .... making it very useful for general video tasks well beyond Premiere. -->>>



Yeah, if you can't work on the file in AE then the included codec with Premeire Pro 1.5.1 is basically useless for a lot of people and we need to buy the $500 version from Cineform.

David Newman March 3rd, 2005 11:12 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Kevin Shaw : Steven: can you give us a quick summary of what HDV editing tasks work in real time with Aspect HD? I've heard it may be a fairly short list of effects. -->>>

I know you asked Steven, but here is the list:

RT Effects: (all with control points.)
2 color correctors.
Premiere's Motion interface (PiP, and titles)
Premiere's Overlays (titles)
Premiere's Opacities controls
2 Pan, Zoom Rotation filters for post camera moves.
Slow motion (with frame blending off.)

Non-RT Effects:
Chroma noise filter.

RT Transition: (most with parameters like slow edge and border controls)
Dissolve
Additive Dissolve
6 3D page peel variations (with parameters.)
Covers, Reveals and Pushes
About 30 2D wipes

David Taylor March 3rd, 2005 11:14 AM

<<<-- Yeah, if you can't work on the file in AE then the included codec with Premeire Pro 1.5.1 is basically useless for a lot of people and we need to buy the $500 version from Cineform. -->>>

If you want just the CFHD VfW codec components you can purchase Connect HD from the CineForm website for $199. CHD also comes with the HDLink I/O utility. Aspect HD (at $499) of course comes with various RT performance capabilities and additional workflow features that extend PremPro1.5.1. Also, the soon-to-be released v3.0 of Aspect HD has importer and exporter components for AE that also fix the PAR (pixel aspect ratio) problem inherent in AE6.5 for 1440x1080 material.

Kyle Edwards March 3rd, 2005 11:43 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Greg Jacobson : What "other porgrams" would you expect their codec to be transferrable to? After Effects or other non-Adobe programs? -->>>

Non-Adobe programs. It would be nice if the codec was not meant to just stay in Premiere Pro. I wouldn't mind having an older version of the codec that doesn't give the speed of the new versions or whatever features they promise in 3.0. Also, how can I encode my videos to MPGs when I can't import the AVI? At least with the methods I use now.

<<<-- Originally posted by David Taylor : If you want just the CFHD VfW codec components you can purchase Connect HD from the CineForm website for $199. CHD also comes with the HDLink I/O utility. Aspect HD (at $499) of course comes with various RT performance capabilities and additional workflow features that extend PremPro1.5.1. Also, the soon-to-be released v3.0 of Aspect HD has importer and exporter components for AE that also fix the PAR (pixel aspect ratio) problem inherent in AE6.5 for 1440x1080 material. -->>>

Hmm, Connect HD isn't too bad of an idea. I guess waiting a little bit more and seeing what happens would be best.

Steven Gotz March 3rd, 2005 12:50 PM

David,

You can answer these questions any time. I love your product and your support makes it easier.

Kevin,

To add to what David said, basically the effects are the ones I use. I don't make a lot of fancy transitions or add funky effects. I shoot nature shots mostly so all I need are color correction and some dissolves with Motion and Opacity. So as far as I am concerned, everything is realtime. You know?

If I had a choice between seeing my stuff in the movie theater or on Discovery HD, I would choose Discovery HD. I want to shoot for the Sunrise series. I can't stop watching that stuff. It has driven up my TV time considerably.

Derek Serra March 3rd, 2005 01:46 PM

<<<-- Yeah, if you can't work on the file in AE then the included codec with Premeire Pro 1.5.1 is basically useless for a lot of people and we need to buy the $500 version from Cineform. -->>>

Aish - you just can't please some people. PP1.51 is a free HDV upgrade which will enable HDV users to edit in PP1.51. The free upgrade is aimed at the average user. If you have more specialised requirements, then by all means you should have to pay for more advanced software. If you're using AE, then I imagine you'd want the RT capabilities of AspectHD.

Kyle Edwards March 3rd, 2005 05:21 PM

By advanced, you mean being able to open your AVI in other programs?

David Newman March 3rd, 2005 05:28 PM

With Premiere 1.5.1 you can open CFHD in applications that support DirectShow (that is why MediaPlayer works.) Adobe can distribute a VideoForWindows (VfW) decoder to support AE and other Adobe tools, but they haven't done so yet. However, the ability to create new CFHD files outside of Premiere has not been licensed by Adobe. If you want to do filters within AE, Combustion, VirtualDub, etc and output to CFHD you will need to have a license from CineForm (comes with Connect HD and Aspect HD.)

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Graham Hickling March 3rd, 2005 06:38 PM

>Kyle: Read thread before posting.

You are a bit hasty to be rude, mate. I was replying to the guy who, I think, wanted to know what other programs people were hoping the 1.5.1 CFHD codec would work with.

Pull your head in.

Kyle Edwards March 3rd, 2005 07:49 PM

Sorry about then. I'll edit my post.


Also I figured out a way to get the 1.5.1 CFHD codec into non-VFW programs. I'm set.


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