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Mark Watson May 30th, 2013 06:32 PM

Re: It's not Creative Suite anymore... news from Adobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Huff (Post 1797768)
Or you could, you know, do the right thing and get a legitimate copy of CS6 and just stay put until Creative Cloud seems worthwhile to you.

Gary,

I think you're taking that out of context. The discussion was about how effective the cloud version will be at preventing piracy. Some seem to think it will help control it and others are sure (as I am) that it's just a matter of time before someone cracks the cloud. So, my comment was in regard to those individuals who would get a cracked copy of the cloud if/when it comes out. They will not be thwarted as long as they can get a pirated DVD copy of CS 6 (or 2, 3,4,5, 5.5 for that matter).

I purchased a copy of CS 5.5 Production Premium and Lightroom (and then received a free upgrade to 6) about a year ago. Where exactly one would purchase a stand-alone version of CS6 now, I don't know, Adobe ain't selling it; hence all the ruckus here about it. No longer have a choice.

Does anyone really believe that all the illegal users will now sign up for the cloud, because that's what they all wanted all along, to rent the software at $600/year? I only use about 4 of the programs in the suite. Getting a bunch more stuff I will never use, like web-site development tools, doesn't sweeten the deal. If my CS6 stops working, I'll expect a refund from Adobe and then go back to something like GIMP for photo editing and keep using Sony Vegas Pro for video.

Mark

Jim Michael May 30th, 2013 06:52 PM

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Everyone who uses "warez" or downloads software intended to defeat protection schemes is at very high risk of being "0wned" by agents responsible for distributing spam, child pornography, and other criminal activities. Those interested in performing corporate espionage on the behalf of foreign businesses and governments don't need to crack the network, they only need to find a manager trying to save the company a couple of bucks on their software.

Andrew Smith May 30th, 2013 11:55 PM

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Exactly. Someone who is smart enough to defeat the protection mechanisms on Adobe software is also smart enough to insert their own money making / spyware code in to the software.

So I'm sticking with my legit non-cloud CS6 until someone at Adobe sees the light.

Andrew

Andrew Kimery June 1st, 2013 01:36 AM

Re: It's not Creative Suite anymore... news from Adobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Watson (Post 1798037)
Gary,

I think you're taking that out of context. The discussion was about how effective the cloud version will be at preventing piracy. Some seem to think it will help control it and others are sure (as I am) that it's just a matter of time before someone cracks the cloud. So, my comment was in regard to those individuals who would get a cracked copy of the cloud if/when it comes out. They will not be thwarted as long as they can get a pirated DVD copy of CS 6 (or 2, 3,4,5, 5.5 for that matter).

I purchased a copy of CS 5.5 Production Premium and Lightroom (and then received a free upgrade to 6) about a year ago. Where exactly one would purchase a stand-alone version of CS6 now, I don't know, Adobe ain't selling it; hence all the ruckus here about it. No longer have a choice.

Does anyone really believe that all the illegal users will now sign up for the cloud, because that's what they all wanted all along, to rent the software at $600/year? I only use about 4 of the programs in the suite. Getting a bunch more stuff I will never use, like web-site development tools, doesn't sweeten the deal. If my CS6 stops working, I'll expect a refund from Adobe and then go back to something like GIMP for photo editing and keep using Sony Vegas Pro for video.

Mark

I think it will curb casual piracy of the "Hey, can I borrow your copy of Photoshop?" variety but there's already a workaround for the fully function demos and it's been around for years. Basically you replace a small file (can't remember which one) with a modified version you download and it tricks the countdown/date portion of the software into never hitting the 30 day limit.

Noa Put June 1st, 2013 02:08 AM

Re: It's not Creative Suite anymore... news from Adobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Smith (Post 1798057)
So I'm sticking with my legit non-cloud CS6 until someone at Adobe sees the light.

I think it will be dark years ahead for you :) As long as cs6 does the job it will serve you for a longer time unless Adobe comes out with new features that would make your life a lot easier and then you can either join or leave them. Who know's by then many others will have followed their cloud approach.

Andrew Smith June 1st, 2013 02:19 AM

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Given the lifespan of Windows XP, I think Win 7 will be good for another ten years.

I don't feel the need to go to 4k or anything else beyond HD. CS6 really is a very mature sweet spot for me. I can live without the coolness of the Lumetri colour engine, and I've already got SpeedGrade if I really want to use it.

If I was forgoing the upgrade from CS5 to CS6 I might not be as content. :-)

Andrew

Jeff Dean June 3rd, 2013 04:44 PM

Re: It's not Creative Suite anymore... news from Adobe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noa Put (Post 1798168)
I think it will be dark years ahead for you :) As long as cs6 does the job it will serve you for a longer time unless Adobe comes out with new features that would make your life a lot easier and then you can either join or leave them. Who know's by then many others will have followed their cloud approach.

There are no features and no amount of programs that will ever get me to subscribe to software or to Adobe's Cash Cow at any price.

Adobe has lost this life long customer among many others. They are hoping people will cave in over time and return - It's not going to happen.

I'm simply going to their competitor's software where there are upgrades and no subscription service.

Gabe Strong June 3rd, 2013 06:16 PM

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Yeah, I switched to CS 6 from FCP 7. I'm going to
FCP X or Media composer. Adobe could come out
with a NLE that sliced bread and made chocolate chip
cookies and I wouldn't subscribe. They had a chance
to make me a lifetime customer. This subscription
idiocy lost me. I will never, ever, ever subscribe.
I'd use iMovie before I subscribe to creative cloud.

Nigel Barker June 7th, 2013 09:37 AM

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We are very happy with Creative Cloud & have been using it for the last 12 months. We had a cheap deal as we already had CS5.5 so it's been about 37/month for the last year. I was not looking forward paying full price this coming year but have had a nice present from Adobe. They are offering CC to CS6 users for a bit over 17/month & as I got a free upgrade from CS5.5 to CS6 I am now in the happy position of paying less than half what we did last year. Of course the crunch will come in another 12 months but TBH for a professional if you can't afford 50/month for what Creative Cloud gives you then you really need to take a look at how your business is doing.

We are refugees from FCP7 (Premiere Pro, After Effects, Encore & Audition) & aside from video we also do photography (Photoshop & Lightroom) plus web development (Muse, Fireworks, Dreamweaver) & DTP (In Design & Illustrator) plus there are all those other bits & pieces that look interesting & useful (Acrobat Pro, Edge Animate, Prelude etc). We are really looking forward to all the new features in the new versions that are released on June 17th.

Trevor Dennis June 7th, 2013 06:57 PM

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As regard plug-ins, people are not going to be happy if they buy into CC and their expensive Topaz, Perfect Suite, Nik etc. plugins no longer work. My goodness. Just think how that would go down after the already negative reaction to CC.

Regards to the better reaction on this forum, I guess most videographers would be using Premiere Pro, Photoshop, After Effects, Audition and probably more apps, so a CC subscription is going to work out well for them.

In New Zealand and Australia, we are going to be saving a bunch of dollars with CC because we are finally rid of Adobe's price gouging, and will be paying a near identical price to American subscribers. I am going to save hundreds of dollars a year at the same time as having access to a lot more applications.

Art White June 11th, 2013 02:48 PM

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I think I'm with a few other members on this site. If it were not for Premiere, AE and PhotoShop, I wouldn't use Adobe at all. I have been using Premiere since the horses were runing across the the box it came in. I have never used anything other than Adobe, regardless if it crashed my system continuously or changed the suite moments after I finually learned it. I'll probably be one of those who taps out, gives up and just pays the money, but dang it! If I do change it's going to be a long time this time. Look me up in 5 years. Until then, I'll be pushing CS5 down the road in a hand cart.

Art White June 11th, 2013 02:50 PM

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Oh yeah. My Perfect Suite 7.1 isn't going to work. What about my Portrait Professional? Darn it!

Bob Hart June 12th, 2013 03:01 AM

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Trevor. I would not be too sure. With the AU$ heading down the tank, about 10% already, give or take, the same penalty will return soon enough. I doubt Adobe or Apple are going to reverse the previous policy of marking AU prices up when our dollar was high, into a compensatory markdown once the AU$ settles back to about US$0.65..

I am looking forward to a time when or if Blackmagic attach a complementing serious editor to Resolve.

However, a competitor with deep pockets, a takeover and shutdown of Blackmagic will soon take care of that. There's really no such thing as a free lunch and BM has outlived my expectations already. I hope they endure, achieve a dominant position and thus survive.

John Richard June 17th, 2013 07:29 AM

Re: It's not Creative Suite anymore... news from Adobe
 
Wondering how the Adobe servers are going to handle today's rollout of the new CC ...
Would seem a massive flow of 0's an 1's to accomplish thru the pipe.
Fingers crossed for them.

Pete Bauer June 17th, 2013 09:44 AM

Re: It's not Creative Suite anymore... news from Adobe
 
Indeed, we shall see how well they handle what is sure to be a crush of downloads. According to info on the Adobe web site, it goes live at 8pm PDT (03:00 UTC on 18 June)...so no point in even trying until then.


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