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Art White October 21st, 2013 09:24 PM

Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
I go back and forth with this Adobe Creative Cloud thing but I like to look at all the options. I'm happy with my CS5. I think the price for the first year for Creative Cloud is is 20.00 cheaper per month if you already have C/5. What I would like to know is does the new Creative cloud have to be installed on my computer and combine with my CS5. In other words, is it going to monkey it all up to where if I stop Creative cloud my CS 5 won't work right?
Thanks,
Artis

Harm Millaard October 22nd, 2013 12:50 AM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
CS5 and CC are separate programs that can coexist peacefully on a single system. CS5 will not be influenced by a CC subscription. The major difference is:

With CS5 you have a perpetual license, with CC you have a perpetual subscription and no way to go back to CSx, because there is no backward compatibility.

Art White October 22nd, 2013 05:03 AM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Hey Harm,
Thought so but when they offer the discount for having CS3-5. I got nervous and thought it may have to combine the two. If it's separate, I might try it for a year.
Thanks,
Art

Harm Millaard October 22nd, 2013 10:28 AM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Art,

Realize that when you end the subscription, you can no longer access anything you created with CC, even though you have the copyright, it does not matter, you can NOT access it at all, and you have to pay 50% of the remaining periods in your subscription. So Adobe ends access immediately after say 13 months, but you still have to pay 50% of the remaining 11 months. It is a one sided deal in favour of Adobe, and f*** the client.

Art White October 22nd, 2013 02:33 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Wait.. Are you saying if I created a photoshop cc project I don't have access to it if I dumped the subscription? CC is the only way to upgrade if you own the Suites. I've been with them since Premiere came out and every last upgrade had a problem except the one I'm happy with now. Looks like I'm in a tough spot!

Jeff Pulera October 22nd, 2013 02:39 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
I keep seeing posts saying things like "when you end the subscription, you can no longer access anything you created with CC". It is true that you would lose the ability to open the original PROJECT, in the event that you wanted to re-edit an existing sequence. I understand that might frustrate some users in certain situations. Personally, I delete projects once delivered and approved, but I respect that other workflows exist.

But one would certainly have complete access to, rights to, and control over any materials that had been created and EXPORTED from CC. That could be DVD or Blu-ray media, web clips, mastering quality archival clips, ANYTHING. People make it sound like everything gets turned off and vanishes when the subscription ends and Adobe takes over your copyrights. If you have a copy of the edited master video, and original clips, one can certainly edit and re-edit to their hearts content on some other NLE later on.

Whether folks agree with the new subscription model or not, half-truths and untruths have no place in the discussion. I think emotions get in the way of the facts.

Respectfully,

Jeff Pulera

Ann Bens October 22nd, 2013 03:32 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Art White (Post 1817827)
Wait.. Are you saying if I created a photoshop cc project I don't have access to it if I dumped the subscription? CC is the only way to upgrade if you own the Suites. I've been with them since Premiere came out and every last upgrade had a problem except the one I'm happy with now. Looks like I'm in a tough spot!

With CC In Photoshop
InDesign®
Illustrator
Flash® Professional
Dreamweaver® and
After Effects®
you can export to CS6.

Art White October 22nd, 2013 03:42 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Just to clarify if I subscribe to CC because I want to try it for a year because of the discount, and I build any project, will I have access to the project after my subscription ends using CS5?

Thanks
Art

Evan Bourcier October 22nd, 2013 04:03 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
CS5 I dunno. Cs6 I think can open CC files, but it depends on the program. Most old programs cant open newer program files. The reality is you're going to have to go CC eventually or dump Adobe. They arent going to go back I dont think. I love the cloud, it's my favorite thing ever. Haters gonna hate.

Art White October 22nd, 2013 07:44 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Evan,
All I have ever used is Adobe. I'm too old to change now. I'm just hoping for a smooth transition! Did you have to update your hardware at all?

Harm Millaard October 22nd, 2013 11:51 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
To be clear, no Premiere Pro CC project can be opened in any version prior to that. End of story.

Ann Bens October 23rd, 2013 04:47 AM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
You can make an xml of a CC project and open that in CS6.
Most of the time you will be left with only the clips.
But that is better then having nothing.

Harm Millaard October 23rd, 2013 12:18 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Never worked for me.

Art White October 24th, 2013 03:01 AM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
I thought about upgrading one more time before I tried CC for a year but I don't think so. CC is really geared for full time creative folks. I can't retire from my main income for another 5 years but I still service some great clients on a par time basis. But like Evan said, where do we people who have only used Adobe all our lives go from here anyway?

Donald McPherson October 24th, 2013 04:36 AM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
When I first read about this CC I was hoping I could do it like car rental. Rent it for a month or two do my project and that's it. Next project 6 months time rent do project. But nothing is ever that simple.

Art White October 24th, 2013 06:29 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Makes me wonder if the hardware requirements are the same, like say for a laptop since you should be able to edit anywhere and without internet.

Evan Bourcier October 24th, 2013 08:57 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
I've been running CC on my 2011 MBP for over a year with no issues.

Art White October 25th, 2013 12:33 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Do you use a laptop at at all?

Evan Bourcier October 26th, 2013 02:25 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Correct, MBP is short for Macbook Pro.

Kyle Root October 28th, 2013 11:24 AM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
I've been following all the ups and downs/pros and cons of going to a CC subscription.

I'm still undecided with what to do, and getting along pretty good now on CS5 for the weddings and events I film. But, I'm thinking I'll need to upgrade if I get a new DSLR, because it's RAW files won't be supported in Photoshop I'm guessing.

One thing I was trying to find was, how much space does it take up if you download the entire CC? Does anyone know? I was looking around on Adobe's site but didn't see it.

I've got a 256 GB SSD as my C, and have 133GB left (could probably clean that up a bit and get more).

Art White October 28th, 2013 02:24 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
I would kinda like to know that too. I've been reading too and it says it's easier to install because it's direct download. I enjoy my CS5 for mostly PP. I've learned from this site to spread out exports, video files, cache, etc. among 3 or 4 hard drives. Which is fine on my desk top. But the way I understand it is you can open files from the cloud anywhere provided you have the software. You must have to save the files on your computer after you open it because 20 gig ain't gunna get it.

Justin Molush October 28th, 2013 04:53 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle Root (Post 1818394)
One thing I was trying to find was, how much space does it take up if you download the entire CC? Does anyone know? I was looking around on Adobe's site but didn't see it.

Currently on my work system I have Bridge, Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator, InDesign, Prelude, Premiere, After Effects, Speedgrade, and Acrobat XI Pro installed and it only takes up 10.7GB of my Solid State.

The only extra media production (non-web or app based) application that you would really need would be Audition which really does not take up that much more. Obviously with a lot of the extra developer applications this would increase a bit.

If you are worried about CC backwards compatibility, you can always export an XML and re-import and relink your projects. Obviously there will be some native effects no longer useable in older versions, but that is the nature of software that is updated.

I think a lot of people are overblowing this CC cloud subscription. I am actually paying less over the long term now than if they were basing themselves off the old license model given I am constantly asked to stay up to date with FX and AE is making leaps and bounds year after year in that department in usable components. The fact that they will push updates in real time over CC, and let everyone download with a subscription, is fantastic imo.

Kyle Root October 28th, 2013 07:34 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
Thanks for that info on sizes.

The only other things I'd get would be Dreamweaver and Muse, in addition to the stuff you listed, so I should be ok.

Art White November 6th, 2013 02:08 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
I bought it and loaded it and right away I hit a snag, saying "here we go again!" But I got a hold I
Of live chat and they fixed it in 10 minutes. So far on the new laptop Premier runs better than any other version with 12 g ram and a non Mercury card, no render needed, better than my 24 gig expensive mercury approved video card. Only problem so far is the title presets are missing.

The big test for me is if I really need all the extra applications that come with CC. Usually, if I pay money, I figure that part out pretty quick!

Harm Millaard November 6th, 2013 05:07 PM

Re: Creative cloud separate from CS5?
 
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Kyle,

Your boot disk requires some clean-up, I think. A full installation of Windows 8.1 plus CS6 Master Collection, plus several plug-ins like MagicBullet Suite (including Looks, Colorista, etc), the whole suite of Pixelan plug-ins, Color Finesse, SurCode and the like, extensive libraries of utilities and miscellaneous stuff does not take more than 35 GB max (even with humongous HP printer software installed) on a relatively clean system, including a 2 GB page-file. Of course, if you have a bigger page-file, the used space is much bigger, so keep that in mind.

CC uses about the same space as CS6, so you should have at least 30 GB more free space on your boot disk.

The Adobe files take (including the mentioned plug-ins) slightly less than 13 GB.


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