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Heath Vinyard February 15th, 2006 06:45 AM

DVRack HD Support 24p?
 
I posted this in the thread and have not heard from anyone. Does anyone know if DVRack with the HDV add-on supports 24p yet? Either officially or unofficially. I am getting ready to purchase this product, but need to know if it supports 24p.
Thanks.

Karl Soule February 15th, 2006 01:24 PM

Well,
 
There are two main formats when talking about 24p.

There are standard DV camcorders, like the DVX100a, that shoot 24 frames per second, but then telecine it to 29.97fps to maintain compatibility with the DV codec. DV Rack is fully compatible with this type of 24p, including the variant called 24pa. It records exactly what the camera provides, which is the 29.97 telecine'd footage. To remove the pulldown frames, you'll need to do that in your editor.

There is also a new 24p format used in JVC and Canon's newest HDV cameras. This is a "true" 24-frames-per-second recording, with no telecine necessary when recording to tape. This new format wasn't in the HDV spec when we created the HDV PowerPak, and we haven't qualified it yet.

In talking with most customers, this true 24p HD mode seems to work fine with DV Rack (and this makes perfect sense, keeping with the design of "record what the camera provides.") However, we've had 1-2 isolated cases where customers are reporting unusual behavior when recording in this mode. At this point, we're not sure if it's a problem with a particular laptop, or if it's an incompatibility with the new format. We are getting a camera in house soon, and should be able to qualify the format soon.

Heath Vinyard February 15th, 2006 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl Soule
There are two main formats when talking about 24p.

There are standard DV camcorders, like the DVX100a, that shoot 24 frames per second, but then telecine it to 29.97fps to maintain compatibility with the DV codec. DV Rack is fully compatible with this type of 24p, including the variant called 24pa. It records exactly what the camera provides, which is the 29.97 telecine'd footage. To remove the pulldown frames, you'll need to do that in your editor.

There is also a new 24p format used in JVC and Canon's newest HDV cameras. This is a "true" 24-frames-per-second recording, with no telecine necessary when recording to tape. This new format wasn't in the HDV spec when we created the HDV PowerPak, and we haven't qualified it yet.

In talking with most customers, this true 24p HD mode seems to work fine with DV Rack (and this makes perfect sense, keeping with the design of "record what the camera provides.") However, we've had 1-2 isolated cases where customers are reporting unusual behavior when recording in this mode. At this point, we're not sure if it's a problem with a particular laptop, or if it's an incompatibility with the new format. We are getting a camera in house soon, and should be able to qualify the format soon.

Great.
Thank you for the response. I have my JVC HD100 camera now and will be trying the trial version hopefully this weekend to make sure all is well before I buy.
Thank you.

Brian Valente May 24th, 2006 11:37 PM

Any update on this?

thanks

Karl Soule May 26th, 2006 11:54 AM

The 24P mode should work fine with DV Rack. Any early reports we had of strange behavior was caused by the CPU of the customers' systems maxing out.

Hugh DiMauro April 14th, 2007 02:26 PM

Does DV Rack Recognize 24p?
 
I captured Panasonic DVX 100b 24pa footage onto a separate hard drive through DV Rack but when I scrub the clip, frame by frame through the playback module, it shows my clip as having 29.97 frames instead of 23.97. Is that normal or did I miss something?

Hugh DiMauro April 14th, 2007 04:47 PM

I may have had a flash of inspiration: I think I remember reading somewhere that the DVX captures 24p but wraps it in an 29.97 fps interlaced coat so it can be played back on tape or, maybe in this case, through DV Rack. It only shows up as 24p when the proper NLE removes that coat and plays it on a timeline for 24p editing. Can somebody confirm this?

Hugh DiMauro April 18th, 2007 11:41 AM

For anyone who wants to know, I have my answer by experimentation. Just look at my last post.

Bill Ravens April 18th, 2007 11:45 AM

by definition, and by specification, ALL DV footage is 29.97 fps. Every inch of it. If it's DV, then it's 29.97. The cadence of 24 fps can be incorporated in DV by applying pulldown algorithms that artificially bump 24 fps capture up to 29.97 to comply with DV requirements.

Hugh DiMauro April 18th, 2007 03:41 PM

Thank you, Bill.

Dan Wilder April 19th, 2007 09:36 AM

Hugh,
You didn't mention the version of DV Rack that you are using but DV Rack HD 2.0 has the ability to remove the pulldown as it records to disk. So even though the 24pa footage is coming over the firewire as 29.97 fps, DV Rack 2.0 creates a 24 fps file.
-Dan

Dennis Tzeng July 27th, 2007 12:04 AM

Onlocation records the JVC HDV 720P 24 mode fine, but when imported into Premiere Pro CS3, it inteprets it as 29.97 and when you try to change it, it fixes the video, but makes the audio all slow.

I hope Adobe fixes this.


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