Yes the HVX can shoot 24PN which are pure 24 frames, which i suppose would be good if its strictly a filmout. Other users stated that 24pn rendered to 29.97 is stroby, i'll have to test that theory. I'll also be getting my 702T this friday, and will test the whole workflow.

thanks

I have to say I really think you are being given some bad advice. 24P can always be converted to 24P with pulldown (technically called 24PSF, I believe) after you finished the final cut. Any stutter or strobing caused by the pulldown will be no worse (and probably better) than if you record with the pulldown to begin with and then edit.

By choosing to edit with the pulldown you are choosing to edit in a time line that does not match the frame rate, with timecode that does not match the frame rate and where every clip has two identical frames repeated, then three identical frames repeated. Where do you actually place a cut? When you want to trim, how many "frames" do you add or subtract? In 24P you can add 10 frames and you know that's what you get. With the pulldown, how many unique frames is ten frames? Well it depends on where you are in the 2:3 cadence. It's a mess.

IMHO, stay away from recording with the pulldown unless you really have to use it. BTW, you can easily make a DVD with 24P no pulldown.

alright, but how well will the 24p look when submitted at 29.97 after?

The same way it would look if you recorded at 24P with the pulldown, probably better because you won't run into the frame related problems caused by editing 24P with a pulldown inside 60i (aka 29.97).

Illustration

Clip One: .5 seconds of 24P frames: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12

Clip Two: Those same .5 seconds of 24P frames recorded inside 60i, aka 29.97: 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 11, 11, 12, 12, 12

Both clips are .5 seconds long. The frames are identical; frames 1 or 2 or 3 are the same in both timelines. But in the 60i version, frames are repeated 2 times then 3 times and so on to make it play like 24P at a 60i rate, aka 29.97. It's not prefect but it's works pretty good.

So when you add the pulldown after editing, all you are doing is repeating the frames like above. You aren't changing the frames, just replicating them.

So if you recorded Clip One and then added the pulldown in post before editing, it would look identical to Clip Two (unless there are some wierd codec issues with the HVX that I'm not aware of).

I would run my advice past experienced HVX users, etc. but I really think I'm shooting you straight.

i understand peter thank you. So now i'm wondering if i'm shooting 1080p to be intermixed with 720p, what rate is best to record sound at.
24PN is only offered in 720p not 1080. That was my confusion to begin with and thats why i wanted to shoot with pulldown at 24pa in both 720 and 1080, easier to mix together.

I received my 702T today, the dealers gave me overnight shipping at a standard shipping rate. Im gonna get testing tonight, when i finish editing a video for a client

sometimes we get overwhelmed with production, we forget to read more often, anyways, straight from SD website

# 48k / 29.97NDF
If picture is shot on video at 23.976 or 29.97 and to be edited in an NTSC environment.
# Although 23.976 and 24 fps frame rates are being used more and more for sound rushes, do not use them without express permission from pre-production.

ok, test done. Everyone is got their own workflow and output.
The best for me is just to record sound at 23.97 to match up the 23.976 from the HVX. Video is shot both in 1080p and 720p at 24pa.

Pulldown is removed from the video file which will be a standard 23.976 matching perfectly with sound.
Editing takes place on a 23.976 timeline which gives the capability to output a 24p DVD and a standard 29.97 with pulldown.

I know im far behind being a newbee. but i dont got a headache anymore :) thanks peter and thank you steve for all your help. I got my workflow.

Please post any info you learn along the way. This promises to be a really good way to go.

P.S. Glad to help.