Warm sounding handheld reporter's mic?
I find myself mostly using a Rode NTG-3 for audio-only interviews and radio-type work. If that doesn't work, I'll use an Audio Technica AT4053b, although it's much more prone to handling noise than the Rode.
Any suggestions for a cardioid or omni handheld mic that sounds as good as either of those, but that isn't prone to handling noise? I've got an Audio Technica AT8010, but I can never bring myself to use it since it lacks the warmth and richness of the above mics. |
99.9% of the networks in the US use the EV RE50 for a H/H reporters mic. (Gets more airtime than 'Seinfeld' reruns) The Sennheiser equivalent is very nice sounding as well.
The Rode NTG-3 and Audio Technica AT4053 are decent for boom type work, I would certainly not recommend them for H/H use though. |
should have prefaced my question by saying, 'anything but the RE-50.' :)
i know it's the standard mic for ENG, but i'm looking for something a little nicer sounding for documentary work. |
Perhaps the reason the NTG-3 and AT4053b sound warm to you is because they are directional, and directional mics tend to exhibit proximity effect. That is, they tend to have accentuated LF response when worked closer than a few feet. Those mics would be quite flat at boom distance, but might tend to sound unnaturally warm at hand-held distances, because of the bass boost.
The RE-50 is fairly flat down to 100 Hz, with a modest rolloff below that. http://www.electrovoice.com/sitefile...ta%20Sheet.pdf And, because it's an omni, it does not exhibit any proximity effect. Thus, it will stay flat even when worked an inch from the mouth. Another advantage is that omnis, like the RE-50, often have lower handling noise than directional mics. Also, the RE-50 has a slight, broad HF peak, from about 5 to 10 kHz. That would help with articulation, but would perhaps make the LF range sound even a bit quieter than it actually is. The RE-50 has a good reputation. If you dislike it only because it's not quite warm enough, would it be worthwhile trying just a small amount of LF boost, to electronically imitate the proximity effect that you get when using the shotguns at a hand-held distance? That might be somewhat pleasing, especially if the talent has a rather "thin" voice. |
you're right, i definitely like a little proximity effect, which i wouldn't get with an omni, so maybe i'm just looking for a good handheld cardioid, preferably a condenser (since i mostly use a marantz pmd661 which doesn't have a lot of clean gain for a dynamic mic). i realize you can add 'warmth' with a little eq, but it never quite sounds the same as a good mic that sounds warm out of the box.
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One thing I forgot to mention earlier: a directional mic is much more sensitive to wind noises than an omni. So you'll probably want to use a foam pop filter, at the very least. That will make the mic bigger and uglier in your camera shots. And outdoors, you'll have much more trouble dealing with atmospheric wind, compared to an omni. You won't have those issues with a good omni like an RE-50. My personal favorite announce mic is an RCA BK-5B, which is a cardioid ribbon (although it's not the best mic for every voice). Worked about 6", it is beautifully warm, yet very clean with good articulation. But it would be a disaster to try to use one for shooting a documentary. |
THe AT 875r can be a nice interview or hand held mic as is it shorter than most shotguns and does not sound so phasey, it needs to be in a grip though and with a softie on can look a bit large in vision.
Other than that the EV RE-50 or the EV 635a or the Beyer dynamic omni are in vision favorites. As for condenser mics we used to use calrec 1001 or 2001 omni mics for hand held's but you need a foam wind gag on to protect the capsule from wind noise, handling is very good though. |
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I don't have any direct experience at all with ribbon mics - of course I know their reputation for warmth, fragility, low output, and don't ever send phantom to them!
An audio engineer I work with from time to time put a mic in my hand about 10 years ago, and said "listen to this!" It was stunning, a ribbon in a hand-held configuration. It was a Beyerdynamic, either an M160 or M260. I only had about 20 seconds with it, but it was impressive. Worth a listen, if you can locate one. Don't know anything about handling noise or wind susceptibility, and it's a hypercard, which is normally not the first choice in a h/h, as it would call for much more care in making sure that anyone speaking is on-mike. |
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The Sennheiser MD46 dynamic would be my choice. Reporters can actually be holding the mic really low (belly button low) or pointing the mic at a subject 2-3 feet away and you still get great sound. For the untrained reporter that forgets to point the mic, the cardioid pattern is unforgiving. You need to be on axis or within a foot. Works well outdoors even without a foam windscreen (double basket grille). It's also nicely balanced with the Sennheiser SKP100 plug on transmitter. You've heard this mic a lot in the Olympics with NBC reporters. Edit. Just found an old sample of the MD46 if you'd like to hear it. This was back in 2005 at NAB with the SKP 100 G2 wireless into a Canon XL2 http://dvcreators.net/podcasts/Hoffm...40%204%3A3.m4v |
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Thanks in advance. |
Have a look at the Beyerdynamic M58 or how about a Shure SM63 [small light weight great in the wind] or a Shure VP64 [modern styling]
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I love my SM63. Has a great look and really nice sound but then I'm half deaf or so says my wife (it's actually selcted hearing)
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No real problem with handling noise on the SM63. Never had an issue. AAMOF the ABC affilaiate here in Chicago uses them and other than hearing the generator from the live truck in the background the sound is clean even when they hold the mic down around their stomachs. I thought professionals knew better than that. ;-)
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The SM63 does have a "bright" sound which works for TV, the only negative on the SM63 is bored reporters at times unscrew the mic breaking the fine wires connected to the XLR connector [a little drop of LOCKTITE on the thread fixes that] :)
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That Shure SM63 looks very good value and I may check out one of those myself as my 635a is a bit small for male reporters. Just noticed whilst trolling around that Beyer do an electret version of the M58 reporter mic, it may be nicer sounding and have more gain:http://www.studiospares.com/mics-oth...1Wb79kAA%3D%3D |
I seem to recall (but this is going back at least 20 years) that EV made a longer version of the 635A. I don't recall the model number off the top of my head but if I find it I'll post the model number for you.
Then again, I may be having a memory malfunction. ----- UPDATE: I'm pretty sure it was an RE55. I don't know whether that's a current model. |
The SM63 comes in 2 sizes. Standard and L for longer. MAke sure that's the one you get. The "standard" is very short and IMO hard to hold because of the length.
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I would have to agree that the longer version of the SM63 is better for day to day use especially if you use a network logo block... BUT the short version is ideal at times as it is super light weight and will fit into a pocket, great for a video journalist with compact gear.
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AudioTechnica has a couple of new dynamic interview mics in their Broadcast & Production Line but I have no experience with them. They are the BP4001 cardioid and BP4002 omni.
If you do want a condenser mic for more gain into weak preamps, the AT8031 is a good choice for a cardioid that can run on either phantom (11-52v) or AA battery. I use the older version of this mic, the ATM31a and like the character of the sound. |
Put me in the "ANYTHING but an RE50" camp too! :-) And add another vote for the Sennheiser MD46, or the MD42 if you like the omni pattern. The 46 sounds very "natural" to me and has superb rejection for noisy environments. Doing large broadcast events with "provided" gear has let me listen to hundreds of mics and I keep coming back to this one for interviews.
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thanks for all the input. the beyerdynamic MCE58 looks interesting, despite the price, but this would be used in controlled environments only. the MD46 seems pretty good too.
i don't suppose anyone knows what the difference between the audio technica at8031 and at8033 are? |
My favorite cheap mic for handheld interviews is the http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/233750-REG/Rode_NT3_NT3_Microphone.html. It's a hyper-cardioid studio condensor that can run off batteries or 48v phantom. It gives a nice warm sound and to my ear, it captures voices much better than any medium priced shotgun or dynamic mic. To avoid handling noise I use an http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/68143-REG/Audio_Technica_AT8415_AT8415_Universal_Shock_Mount.html + http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/529346-REG/Pearstone_GRIP_Universal_Microphone_Hand_Grip.html.
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