Excellent!

Ty you are a MONSTA! - Cheers mate.

Aw shucks . .'cept my HD280s aint amongst it! Poo!

Grazie

check their specs on the AKG page with the 240 or 270

Ty

Eh? - You should know by now it don't take much to floor me! - Sorry .. what should I do?

G

What part of comparing teh specs between your phones and other AKG phones do you not understand?

Ty Ford

Thank you Ty,

These were the 3 items that floored me:

" . check their specs . ." who's specs? Senni specs? Rane specs?

" on the AKG page .. " which page? I can only see ONE Rane page - sorry.

" with the 240 or 270 " I have the 280s? Are you saying these are close enough for the purposes of comparisons?

If I can get something arse about face . . . I will! Apologies .. .

TIA,

Grazie

When I'm on that page I seee a chart with the specifications for a huge list of headphones. Do you not see it?

Regards,

Ty Ford

Grazie,
What Ty is suggesting (and I agree) is that even tho YOUR specific headphones aren't listed, YOUR headphones aren't terribly different from the AKG cans that are listed. Look at the AKG cans that are listed on the Rane page, and use that as a comparison. The values will be fairly close. Maybe you could pick up the phone or email Rane and ask them to update their page to include your specific model. Otherwise, just know that you're very close in relative sensitivity by looking at other AKG headphones in that list.

Bit late! Apologies .. been nursing my Partner . . ! Just given her a bowl of Chicken soup .. .

OK Dokey!

Yes I see the CHART. I see lots of different Cans mentioned. I see AKGs, Sennies . .etc etc But only ONE page. Is/was there "another" and AKG page being mentioned? - Seems not?



Thank you Douglas. I didn't "know" that the Sennies would be similar to the AKGs. And yes, now I know this I can compare them to the AKGs. I will take up the constructive observation - I wont phone from London - but I might very well email them. Jolly good idea! Nice to know I've got as sensitive cans as the AKGs - at least I can say something "knowledgeable" and with some authority when/if the subject arises say: "Similar to AKGS range . . ." OR that if I should be working with a chap who HAS AKGs I can be assured that what HE is hearing and what I am hearing, at least in terms of the cans, would be similar. This is as good as it gets, I guess?

Thanks guys.

Grazie

When I was at the Church, I looked up some information on the HD 280 pro.
Impedance 64 ohms (as per IEC 268-7)
Input power 500mw (as per IEC 268-7)
Frequency response 8 Hz - 25 kHz
Sound pressure level 102 dB (as per IEC)
113 dB / 1 V rms
Ambient noise attenuation Max.32 dB
THD < 0.1% (at 51KHz, 100 dB SPL)
Weight approx. 285 g
Contact pressure approx. 6 N

Wow. Ty, thanks! Rane seems to confirm industry scuttlebutt that 7506 are reasonably sensitive and Senn. generally not as much.

Grazie, sorry, I guess I won't be visiting your web site ;-(

Phew that's handy .. 'cos I aint got one Ahahaha! ! ! . .and I now don't need to construct a table.

Aint that sad - bloke without a website.

Grazie

I picked up some Sennheiser HD280s today for $150 CDN. A friend of mine has them and was telling me about how they "dissect" music but I finally really know what he meant!

7506 vs V6
 

any idea why the sony 7506 ($100) are the industry standard, when the sony v6 ($70) have a higher freq response (5-30khz compared to 10-20khz) at a cheaper price?

Is the 7506 better (louder) when used with DV cam outputs?

Thanks.

BB

Looking at this chart I can't really see much difference between the Sony MDR-7506 and the MDR-V600. Am I missing something?

thanks

Apparently. Go out on a shoot. See who's wearing what. I think you'll see many more MDR7506. At some point, specs are just specs. There could be many good reasons other than specs.

Regards,

Ty Ford

What about sealed headphones?
 

Remote audio offers modified 7506s with special baffling for $285. We had a shoot with a DVX100 in 24p this weekend and the camera headphone output has a really annoying delay. My own little Optura does as well. It makes it difficult tell if the room needs additional treatment. Would it be worth the extra expense, or am I making too much of this? I'll bet I could turn down the volume a little and give my ears a break as well. My hearing is already not so great (too many punk show in high school).

Good point. It took me a while to figure out that the DVX100a had to be in 24P before the delay was heard. VERY off-putting. I already get enough phase weirdness from headphones and live action.

Ty Ford

I was talking to a local DJ about headphones and he mentioned that he switched from the 7506 to the V600 because he felt that they were a little more comfortable. Also that he has not noticed any difference in performance. That is why I was looking at the spec. I wonder how many others have actually used both and if so could you please give a comparison.

Thanks

Don

MDR-v6
 

If you like the sony 7506 ($100), you might want to check out the sony V6 ($70). They have a higher freq response, 5-30khz compared to 10-20khz.

(this is not the same set as the sony V600)

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/003955.html

Um, local DJ's don't DO location audio.

You don't need encyclopedic research to buy the right headphones for location audio.

You don't see V600s on movie sets. You see 7506. If V600s were good on set, the entire location audio industry would trash their MDR7506 and buy them.

Buy the 7506 and get to work.

Regards,

Ty Ford

Thanks Robert
I will consider them. Right now I do not have any likes or dislikes, I'm just trying not to purchase the same thing twice. Beginning to sound as if they are all "good".

Don

I was expecting to see frequency response graphs, unless
I'm missing it. I have seen these type of graphs at
one of those headphone sites.

Dunno about the V6, but the 600's are dull by comparison to the 7506. It's a standard because everybody uses them, not because they're the best. They provide a conversational benchmark that virtually everyone can relate to, because they all use them. If you stand alone, if you aren't needing that benchmark from which you can gauge what you're hearing...then you'll be fine with just about anything else. If you need to converse about audio with another audio guy, you really ought to consider benchmarks.

Sennheiser HD 280 Pro
 

Hmm. How does the Sennheiser HD 280 Pro compare to the Sony MDR 7506? They are sound isolating units.

In my opinion, which is not an expert one, I think they are extremely close in quality, and I probably prefer the Senheisers. I have both sets of headphones and I think that if there is a noticable difference in quality, the Senheisers are better.

I also think they're built better in terms of durability and practicality.

I just bought a second pair they are true sounding very comfortable and on sale for under $75 at B&H.
Yes, they isolate you from ambient sounds but not completely.

With all due respect. Sony MDR 7506 are pretty much the standard for location audio in the US. Because they hold up, because they fold up because they sound good, because they are comfortable and because they tell you what's going on.

Regards,

Ty Ford

One additional consideration:
 

do you wear eyeglasses?

This may seem picky to some, but I've noticed it.

I do, (can't wear contacts for medical reasons), and I've found that the biggest drawback to most phones is that they never fit quite well enough over my ears. The earpieces from my glasses always leave a small space that allows outside noise to intrude. Personally, I prefer the "feel" of full-sized phones, but that small space and intruding sound are leading me to consider in-the-ear - rather than over-the-ear - phones. It seems that even "isolating" phones would lose effectiveness for someone wearing eyeglasses, or even sunglasses

I notice it, too, when wearing protective earphones while working with motorized household power tools, e.g. electric saw, lawn mower, etc. and I'm chewing gum or sucking on a mint: as my jaw moves, it opens a small space around my temples, allowing more sound in. For those situations, I've taken to using earplugs inside the protective phones.

Again, it may seem picky to some, but I've certainly found it noticeable.

Yes I do.

Ty

I own two pairs of the Senns (home & work) and have compared them back to back with the Sonys before buying. I owned a pair of 7502s for years, so the 7506 sound was instantly familiar.

To my ears the Senns are flatter and more natural. The Sonys are a bit scooped and are sweeter. I think the Senns are also a bit more rugged - at least the ear foams are. Both fold up. The Sonys are a bit more comfortable in that they don't clamp as hard. Both are excellent values.

For mixing or listening for accuracy, I prefer the Senns. They color the sound less than the Sonys. (Quick note on mixing with headphones: they don't give an accurate image, and they make small details stand out; however, they give a consistent frequency response in an untreated room for under $100. Use them to double-check a mix, or when you have no choice, but good monitors in a treated room are highly preferred.)

However, for tracking in the studio, or field recording, the Sonys have the advantage of being able to cut through the ambient sound better, due to the scoop. The Sony's would be better for casual listening as well.

Choose the model based on your primary application.

7506 vs sony king of audio headphones
 

I tried a pair of sony Sony MDR 7506 headphones a couple days ago. A fellow XH-A1 shooter had them on set and I had my Sennheiser HD280 pros.

The Senns cut you off from the world, the Sonys let you hear whats happening around you, like when the director wants something.

That's enough for me. I don't need to reinvent the wheel. I'll be creative with my shooting and use the senns when I want to listen online and not hear my neighbors dogs bark.

I actually wish the 7506s had better isolation. It's very important that what you hear in the headset is what's recording to tape. Sometimes when I'm close to the speaker I can hear their voice directly, and it makes it difficult to tell if echo is a problem or not. There's often a slight delay in the sound, especially with a DVX100, and if you're hearing the headphone amplifier and the actor directly you can drive yourself mad trying to figure out if you're hearing reverb or not. Also, with better isloated headphones you can turn the volume down more and save your ears, not to mention less chance of feedback from the mic. As far as hearing what's going on, learn to use the mic as your onset ears. It will surprise you what you hear when nobody notices the mic just behind or next to them.

Remote Audio sells 7506s with custom isolation.

http://remoteaudio.com/hn7506.htm

Yeah, I've seen those and I want 'em badly. They're pricey though.

I own the Sennheisers and my school owns the Sonys. They both sound fine; I don't really think it matters much.

That said, if I had to choose again, purely for monitoring video, I might get the Sonys. They fold up well, are durable, and they sound great. I like the isolation of the Sennheisers, though...but I use my Shure e4cs more and more now for just listening to music and even video editing and they are more isolating. But I'd never use them in the field, even though I suppose they'd be appropriate.

Either headphone will be fine. The Sonys are the standard, though.

another benefit to a standard is that when everyone uses the standard, we're all referencing the same thing. So, when you've got mixed cans on the set, in the studio, etc, it's harder to make sense when someone says "I need more punch" and the guy wearing a different set of cans says "Bottom end is already killing me..."
As has been posted here many times...7506 is not the best headphone out there, by far not the worst, but it's a reference point from which we can all have a cogent conversation.

studio monitors not headphones
 

What speakers would you recommend for mixing sound in FCP at the computer?

How much money?

Ty

Also how big is your room? Installations vary widely

And are you talking about basic dialog editing or doing a full-fledged sound design and music mix?