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Chris Hurd June 27th, 2007 08:35 PM

The Ten Commandments of Sound for Picture
 
Run, don't walk, to Christian Dolan's blog and be sure to read his Fifteen (drops tablet, ala Mel Brooks) Ten! Ten Commandments of Sound for Picture for all to obey. Inspired by Mike Curtis of HD For Indies, his guidelines make such excellent sense that everyone should read, review, print and keep them. And thus... an instant sticky for this forum.

Excerpt: "Thou shalt accept the fact that... there is no such thing as a remove echo filter."

Part One: http://www.syncsoundcinema.com/2007/...etten-ten.html

Part Two: http://www.syncsoundcinema.com/2007/...en-ten_24.html

And on a related note...

"An Open Letter from your Sound Department"
located at http://filmsound.org/production-sound/openletter.htm

This letter is being written by audio professionals to help directors and producers understand how good sound can be recorded on the set. We want to help you make the best film possible.

Thanks to Mike Curtis for passing this on.

Christian Dolan July 1st, 2007 04:14 PM

Chris,

Thanks! This is my first sticky'd blog post . :)

(Also, you're the only one so far that has gotten [or at least mentioned] the Mel Brooks bit.)

Thanks to all who've stopped by.

-Christian

Dan Keaton July 1st, 2007 04:43 PM

Dear Christian,

I enjoyed reading your Ten Commandments.

In part 5, you prefer "Booming from Above", over "Booming from Below".

I realize that these are your preferences and that you will use "Booming from Below" when it is advantageous.

I feel that in many cases "Booming from Below" is very desirable. For example, less problem with shadows, less problem with unintended floor noises, and it is easier to hide the boom operator (in some cases).

Could you elaborate on why you prefer "Booming from Above"?

David Garvin July 2nd, 2007 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Keaton (Post 705598)
Could you elaborate on why you prefer "Booming from Above"?

I can't speak for Christian, but I have a number of reasons why I feel boom ops should boom from above and not below. Here are some:

- Celings are rarely carpeted, nor do they usually have as many furniturelike objects on them and their hard smooth ceiling surface can cause your sound to be overly live

- people's legs are frequently touching the floor, as are, usually, many more furniturelike objects than appear on the ceiling. These things are obstacles to a moving boom and can make it impossible to follow action or movement

- in almost any shot except a close up or extreme close up of a person, their mouth is going to be closer to the top of the frame than the bottom. closer is better

- booming from above is going to sound different than booming from below. Therefore, even during the times that none of the above mentioned things are true, I'd still prefer booming from above because it will mean the sound will more closely match all the other shots where the booming was from above because of one or more of the above mentioned things.

Chris Hurd July 2nd, 2007 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christian Dolan (Post 705592)
you're the only one so far that has gotten [or at least mentioned] the Mel Brooks bit.

Are you kidding, I love HOTW Part One.

"Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
"You said it! They stink on ice."


Apologies for the OT post...

Greg Boston July 2nd, 2007 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd (Post 706229)
Are you kidding, I love HOTW Part One.

"Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
"You said it! They stink on ice."


Apologies for the OT post...

I got it. But then again, I have that movie in my library. One of my favorites.

"Occupation?"

"Gladiator."

"Did you kill today?"

So much funny stuff in there... like the chessboard scene.

-gb-

Dan Keaton July 3rd, 2007 07:10 AM

Here are two shoots in which I decided to boom from below.

1. A shoot for ESPN at a fishing tournament. The frame was upper chest and face. We were outdoors, with the sun overhead with a small HMI as a fill light.

I was worried about shadows if I boomed overhead.

2. We were indoors, in a studio with high insulated ceiling, shooting a staged scene. The studio was set to look like a restaurant, with two people talking quietly to each other.

Again, if I boomed from overhead, I would create shadows on the wall behind the actors.

I found that if I lay on the floor, the mike and boom were hidden by the table. I could get close enough and had enough room to maneuver to the speaker. It sounded great, in my humble opinion.

Emre Safak July 13th, 2007 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Garvin (Post 706201)
I can't speak for Christian, but I have a number of reasons why I feel boom ops should boom from above and not below. Here are some:

- Celings are rarely carpeted

Isn't carpeting a good thing? I thought you would want to reduce reflections.

Bill Ravens July 13th, 2007 02:04 PM

Chris..

Great list, but, I think you left off one so very basic that most amateurs don't even think about it.

"Thou shalt always monitor the audio whilst recording video".

Jasmine Marie Adams September 26th, 2007 03:06 AM

Bill! You mean people *don't do that?
*faux shock*

Also, the slating tip is awesome. I don't care if you're recording in the same device, some poor editor (whether it visual or audial) is going to have to sort through that slugde.

Sacha Rosen February 4th, 2008 11:07 AM

Again, if I boomed from overhead, I would create shadows on the wall behind the actors.


you should try and get the shadows cut, I only boom from below when all else has failed, It can make the actor limit what he wants to do not to mention putting your mic at risk. But if you like lying on the floor be my guest.

Dan Keaton February 4th, 2008 11:12 AM

I agree with attempting to get the shadows cut.

In this particular case, due to the nature of the film, the director wanted harsh "Larger than Life" shadows on the walls behind the actors. An overhead boom would have created a problem.

I also agree that it is best to boom from overhead.

Sacha Rosen February 4th, 2008 11:19 AM

one more thing to the list... let us get room tone and ambience's it takes 30 seconds out of a long day. not a big deal!

Doug Lange March 14th, 2008 03:35 AM

Are we up to 15 commandments yet?

My favorite line...
"It's good to be the king!"

David Garvin March 20th, 2008 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emre Safak (Post 711613)
Quote:

Originally Posted by David Garvin (Post 706201)
I have a number of reasons why I feel boom ops should boom from above and not below. Here are some:

- Celings are rarely carpeted

Isn't carpeting a good thing? I thought you would want to reduce reflections.

Exactly, pointing at carpeting is a good thing and that was my point. If you boom from below, you're almost inevitably going to be pointing at an uncarpeted ceiling. That's one reason you are usually better off booming from above.


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