Shaw, how's this going?

thanks
Frank
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Goin alright. I've had to put the project on hold temporarily but I'm gearing up again to bash away at it. Hopefully I'll have some footage soon!

wow. can't wait

actually, something came to mind.

if i want to keep the video DOF, can i simply remove Dan (or whoever) 35mini system and still maintain 16:9?

in other words will it shoot with JUST your adapter?

if so, will the zoom function?

Good question. The short answer is, unfortunately, no.

It is/will be designed to mount to a 35mm mount. You would have to find a way to mount this straight to your video camera if you wanted to do this. About zoomthrough.. I can't say. It would depend heavily upon your camera since it isn't designed for this purpose.

Still making progress. Slowly but surely.

>>>It is/will be designed to mount to a 35mm mount.<<< and project that anamorphic image on a GG !

Whatever the format you shoot, will be the same (3:4, 16:9)
The image will be squeezed though on that format.
Keep it up Aaron. Good idea.

Any further progress
 

Hi Aaron,

Haven't seen any new posting's on here for a while and was just wondering how you are progressing with the adapter?

Cheers

Robert

Yep things are progressing :).

It's taking a while as there are so many variables but I'm slowly getting there. I'll hopefully have some decent information to post by the end of the month.

Things are going well.

However, I'm putting this project on hold. With the new HVX200 and the uncertainty of the cheap 35mm market I'm going to bide my time for a while. I need money for a new HD camera after all and I can't afford to do both! ;)

Too bad you have to put this on hold.

By the way, have you seen my tests on the water prisms? (three threads down, currently)
I'm surprised, as you were when starting your project, that there aren't many people interested in anamorphics.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to hear you put it back -off- hold.

Thanks Oscar :). It's going to be as short a "hold" as possible. It's an area that I'm fascinated with (as you know!) so I very much enjoy working on it. But money speaks or so they say. Can't do everything at once when you're a poor student :(.

Aaron - what do you mean by "uncertainty of the market for cheap 35mm" - do you mean you are uncertain how much demand there will be for this type of product?

Well I'm still interested in an anamorphic adapter for these devices. My personal opinion is that a front mounted version is the way to go, but unfortunitly I don't know where to start. I wish there were existing optics that could be used in conjuction to provide this to an adapter, but it doesn't seem like it. How do the Panasonic, Century Optics, Optex models work? Do you think they all use custom glass or are they just using some type of esisting glass optics (cylinder lenses of some type)? Anyone have any input.

Dan Diaconu if you happen to see this, you mentioned somewhere in one of the threads you had used one of the 16:9 adapters right? Do you have any input into what type of glass these type of adapters use to squeeze the footage?

Aaron, somewhere you discribed how you might make your rear adapter, but i don't have it handy. There was a two lens set up and I was wondering what the purpose of the second element was?

http://www.cinematography.com/forum2004/lofiversion/index.php?t4690.html

That may provide some info for you.

This is the one I tried:
http://www.47stphoto.com/ceopds16wisc.html
It seem happy with the 35/1.4 Nikkor as well (not only GL1 or 2) Might be used on other lenses too (I did not try it on the rest of the lenses though), but the advice on cinematography still applies (film, HD or image converters)

Brian that's a total shame. Was willing to buy one.

Dan that doesn't fit on the end of a 35mm rig though does it?

A 35mm rig starts with a 35mm lens. The front mount of these lenses are within "range" of the anamorphic. Even if not 58mm, there are adapters from 58 to what-have-you.

<<<-- Originally posted by Frank Vrionis : Brian that's a total shame. Was willing to buy one.

Dan that doesn't fit on the end of a 35mm rig though does it? -->>>

What was a total shame?

Do note that the "hold" is temporary ;).

Brian....er...I meant Aaron!!!

Aaron. The new Panasonic camera has a 16:9 chip. I doubt you'll find another market for a 16:9 lens outside of this one.

...unless your going for wider....

What do you mean Frank?

I know the Panasonic has 16:9 chips. I'm not trying to target it for an adapter. I'm trying to get my hands on one! I'm still planning on finishing this adapter though. Get myself a very nice 35mm look on HD cinemascope :D. Did I misunderstand you?

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I already successfully made a lens like that on my water and oil prism tread (the one you are referring too, not this tread), and it cost me 0 $. Can you compete with that?
'The real question' isn't really how large the market is for you on this tread, but how large the market is for Aaron Shaw(and perhaps me)
I'm sure Aaron will sell his lens under your price. Me too, but I hadn't had any intentions in selling.

Hi Oscar,

Rebuke accepted. I didn't mean to offer a competitive scenario, but understand that it might be taken that way in the context of the thread. Above all I'm really just interested in the overall market itself. I'll delete the post and take it to another area to explore. Good luck to all with the project.

Shawn

Indeed. Thanks for the words Oscar :)

Though it does beg the question, what if we had Panamorph make these things for us? It would, at least, be a more easily implemented solution. I won't be able to get back to this project until later this year. So I'm not entirely sure what to think. Part of me says continue the project all the way through with the work I've done so far. Part of me also says, if Panamorph can do it easier and cheaper why bother? As stated before I'm not thinking about selling these sort of things to make money so I wouldn't be affected in that sense. The only downside I can see is that Panamorph, thus far (to my knowledge) has only made front attachments while I think the benefit of a rear system implemented so it doesn't extend your focal length would be much better.

Oscar could probably make some money, though. And he has demonstrated that the process works rather well (as it should!) with nothing but widely accessable materials. This deserves a good deal of credit and I see no real reason for manufacturing a lens of this type (unless Oscar wished to sell em cheap to indies).

Shawn, may I send you an email? I'd love to talk with you. :)

Shawn, OK, but the whole 'alternative imaging' area on this board isn't suited for this really, because mostly all people are making these things themselves and sharing the designs they made.

Note that I based all my angles and designs on my own experiments.

Absolutely Oscar! I quite agree with you :). It's NOT the purpose of this board and shouldn't be. If I can talk Panamorph into a good deal offline though I think it could be worthwhile.

I've been very impressed with your project so far. You've put a lot of time and effort into your work and it shows! I look forward to more updates :D

Aaron , note that they have the setup like me (triangled prisms) and sell their product between $895 and $4995, so I can't see getting a good deal out of that.

I hear ya man :). Anyway, just an option to explore. I'll certainly plan on continuing my work if something nothing good comes from the discussion. Anyway, it's a possibility that I would feel dumb if I didn't ask more questions about :).

so.... Aaron where exactly does your project stand now? Are you still in a holding pattern? Maybe you could provide some details on how far you've gotten. I'm interested. Thanks

Right now I'm in the "optimizing phase." I have a plan that is run through the computer with various minor adjustments to try to achieve the best balance of size, weight, cost and aberration control. It's a tedious process and takes a while to compute but it should be worth it in the end. The thing is you can only optimize a design so much. If it doesn't provide the quality you need then it's back to the drawing board to create a new design.

Aaron, keep up the good work!

Aaron, just out of curiosity, you are using multiple lenses? Are you going to make them out of glass?

I'm most likely going to have them custom made by an optics company. Haven't decided if I'm going glass or plastic yet. Each has adavantages and disadvantages.

Would this be an anamorphic adapter for any lens? One thing I've noticed with the lomo primes is that they require (or at least sell) a different ana adapter for each prime. I don't know the reasons behind this, but I would guess that each prime has a different set of optical requirements...(?) Don't know if you are thinking along similar lines.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I'm delving back into this project seriously now. Designs are ready, I'm just looking around at my options for producing a beta model without spending too much. Things are really starting to fall together over on this side. I'm tempted to give a rough date for actual footage but I'll hold off as I know how the best plans can go down the tube quickly.

Brian! Sorry that I missed your post! It's quite old now and maybe of no use but I'll answer in hopes that it may be benefitial to someone.

To be entirely honest, I am not fully sure why the lomo lenses have different adapters for different lenses. I'm not entirely sure how their system is implemented though - they seem to be rather old in design so perhaps they had to make a compromise somewhere down the line? If I remember correctly these adapters were all made for zoom lenses right? I suspect that might have something to do with it. In any case, this adapter should work with any prime or zoom you put on the camera. That's one thing that I need to test completely. Still, I've taken every precaution I can think of so there shouldn't be any problems. Zooms could, again, be problematic though I have no direct reason to believe so. Time will tell.

Hey Aaron - good to hear from you again. Actually, now I (and many of our customers) are more interested in an anamorphic that works with 35mm SLR lenses, like nikon

What do you think?

We'll see how the test version goes first!

Actually, Nikon is what I based the current system on simply because I have access to a fair number of these lenses. It shouldn't be too hard to modify for, say, Canon FD, for example, either.